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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2012, 10:32:58 AM »
Probably shit wood.

Probably, didn't oil it regularly either.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2012, 08:46:08 PM »
dunno. full-contact fighters use their equipment regularly. maybe just too much load during too much use

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2012, 08:47:45 PM »
He wasn't even applying full force, hell no one was swinging their weapons when it broke. 2 weapons just bumped into eachother and it falls off.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2012, 08:50:02 PM »
so at least one of the blows before must have caused a crack which made it fall apart

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2012, 08:55:10 PM »
No. Skip to 1:00, he gets a second weapon, a mace I guess, which breaks with a light tap.
They are using extremely weak stuff it seems.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2012, 09:04:49 PM »
thanks for the hint. i didn´t watch this vid completely

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2012, 10:00:55 PM »
No. Skip to 1:00, he gets a second weapon, a mace I guess, which breaks with a light tap.
They are using extremely weak stuff it seems.

Not to be a Ass and all but its the same weapon. the polearm had a metal cap at the other end, all he did was flip it over.

as far as I can tell, and I'm no expert when it comes to wood, the shaft wasn't oiled or waxed but looked fairly fresh. its been my experiance that wood that has been oiled/waxed tends to have darker color/sheen.

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2012, 10:39:19 PM »
No. Skip to 1:00, he gets a second weapon, a mace I guess, which breaks with a light tap.
They are using extremely weak stuff it seems.

Not to be a Ass and all but its the same weapon. the polearm had a metal cap at the other end, all he did was flip it over.

as far as I can tell, and I'm no expert when it comes to wood, the shaft wasn't oiled or waxed but looked fairly fresh. its been my experiance that wood that has been oiled/waxed tends to have darker color/sheen.
Arse.

Yeah I just noticed it's the same thing. When I saw the other dude in 0:57 walking away from him I thought he got another one.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2012, 03:43:03 AM »
You do know that they weaken weapon shafts to make that happen on purpose in reinactments to make it a little more exciting than watching guys not really swing their weapons at each other, right? 

Like when they shatter lances while jousting, it's because the lance shaft's been hollowed out. 

None of that fighting was anything like "full contact" and none of their maneuvers could have done that much damage to a real shaft.

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2012, 05:03:30 AM »
You do know that they weaken weapon shafts to make that happen on purpose in reinactments to make it a little more exciting than watching guys not really swing their weapons at each other, right? 
No, they don't. At least those guys look like they don't. Another thing is that the shafts are expendable material in the fights like this, so the fighters probably don't treat them with different oils and such.
Like when they shatter lances while jousting, it's because the lance shaft's been hollowed out. 
That was a common practice during the late Medieval/Renaissance jousts as well.
None of that fighting was anything like "full contact" and none of their maneuvers could have done that much damage to a real shaft.
...yet they do. I certainly know that Russian or Ukrainian reenactors go full-contact (with blunt weapons and under a set of restrictions) while sparring. The guys in the vid are Polish (I guess), and I've heard that their fighting rules are basically the same as the Russian ones. The winner is either the one who lands the most hits on his opponent or the guy who knocks his opponent down (the latter is usually the case for the group fights aka buhurts).

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2012, 07:11:02 AM »
I do believe that xenoarg is in the right here.

In accurate circumstances, breaks should in no case happen, because you can't easily replace a shaft on the battlefield.  That means the wood needs to be partly sheathed, made of denser wood and cut from the right grain.

And being a reeactor myself (having also been invited to shoots of 1066 :) ) I can say from experience that most wooden items are crafted so they are lighter and break more easily, to be considered 'safe'.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2012, 07:41:26 AM »
I do believe that xenoarg is in the right here.

In accurate circumstances, breaks should in no case happen, because you can't easily replace a shaft on the battlefield.  That means the wood needs to be partly sheathed, made of denser wood and cut from the right grain.

And being a reeactor myself (having also been invited to shoots of 1066 :) ) I can say from experience that most wooden items are crafted so they are lighter and break more easily, to be considered 'safe'.
It seems to me that when it comes to Medieval reenactment and fighting practice, there's a difference between the general attitude and the ways of doing this in the Western and the Eastern Europe.
Again, there are different reenactor types. Some of them participate in gatherings or festivals to show how cool they are with their historically accurate arms and armor, to get together with their reenactor friends and have fun. Of course, they would treat shafts of their spears/halberds/poleaxes well. After all, they don't have any plans to break it, do they? ;) However, there is a different kind of reenactors too. I can hardly call them "reenactors", since most of them don't pay much attention to the actual reenactment of life of the Medieval-whoever-they-are. They are more like sportsmen who like to spar with cold steel in hand (again, I'm talking about Eastern European full-contact sparring here). So, if you are fighting with your spear or a poleaxe a couple of times per week, its shaft will be hit quite a few times (probably, much more than the real 100% authentic Medieval poleaxe shaft was designed to withstand :)) and will eventually break because of wear. This is its fate. So, why should this guy bother to treat the shaft with all kinds of stuff just to see it breaks in, say, a couple of months of extensive use? Well, he could, but on the other hand, I've seen this kind of sparring equipment for quite a few times and the shafts looked like they didn't undergo any special treatment.

The funny thing is that all of us are trying to prove the same point: it is very unlikely that the shafts of the Medieval polearms would break on the battlefield just like that.

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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2012, 07:55:38 AM »
Poland is in the EU.

Mostlikley as an offcial event, it had to follow saftey rules.
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Re: Well good sir I do believe you offed my pole-arm
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2012, 08:30:43 AM »