How to turn undead off?

[geala]

To remain with off-topic: the mod for me is very fantasy. Especially the army compositions with a lot of very old fashioned weapons and cannons and relatively fast firing firearms at the same time. I like it for that, if I want to play "realistic" mods, I use Brytenwalda and AD 1257. What is "realistic" and funny and rather special with B+S is the system of arms, armour, skills and damage and the combat itself. Such a nice feeling when you blow an ugly looking death knight from his horse with a double dragoon shot. 

[Hallegra]

Without the fringe benefits of the undead and the days of doom, wouldn't this be a pretty realistic mod? It doesn't exactly follow historical development tracks though.

[xenoargh]

Well, it really depends on how we define "realism" 

IRL, guns took at least 45 seconds to reload, back then. 

So, the guys in Blood and Steel, firing every 5 seconds or so?  Totally not like real life. 

However, that's not what I'm modeling; I'm modeling the effective base of fire that one saw as firearms proliferated.  One of the things that happened when firearms showed up is that lots more infantry were armed with missile weapons, and armies got a lot bigger, too. 

Since the engine doesn't really allow me to expand the armies forever without crashing, the rate of fire was tweaked, instead.  Their ranges are accurate; their accuracy is adjusted to more-or-less represent their total base of fire.

But were there hand cannons?  Well, yes; they had grenade launchers.  Did they work like in the mod?  Not especially, no.  Lots of problems there with how the AI deals with ranged weapons; you literally cannot give the AI a weapon with a low enough trajectory to be used as a mortar, because they won't ever use it.  That's why I'm introducing the Alephs; they're a little closer (simulation-wise) to a mobile field gun.

Do I think the Dragon's an accurate representation of that weapon?  No, it should probably miss more people in the AOE, but for game-balance reasons and the fact that they're overwhelmingly popular as super-heroic deathwands, I've largely left them alone.  Otherwise, yeah; a dragon was basically a sawed-off shotgun, and absolutely not a joke gun

[geala]

It's not a joke gun, but a fun gun. 

[mesor]

How any1 has trouble with undead is beyond me.

I was messing around as a bandit had an army of about 500 medium level bandits with 50 or so elite's who formed my personal guard and i found a light vs dark battle so horribly unbalanced i had to get involved.

5 undead armies totalling about 12000 enemies vs about 600 light soldiers.
So i jumped in ( ive changed a little bit so there can be about 2000 men on the field at any given time since my pc is custom built and can handle that without lag ).
So theres me my 50 guard about 100 of my bandits about 200 light soldiers and then around 1600 undead who bonzai charged us.

500 or more went down under arrows and javalins.
Another 300 or so dropped when my men charged into them the rest were shredded in short order.
This repeated over and over with numbers steadily increasing for me with each battle.

I lost 4 guardsmen when i charged about 700 enemies with nothing but my guard then i lost about 75 of my bandits and 150 or so light soldiers but theyd been fighting a while ( over 700 dead before i got involved ) so they were likely wounded before the battle even began.

Thats a total of less then 250 men lost the enemy had around 10000 dead 1500 taken prisoner and 500 or so who escaped ( until i ran them down 5 seconds later and killed them all ).

So how anybody can have difficulty facing the undead is beyond me.

The hardest part i faced was the enemy death knights because i dont have any cavalry but that was pretty simple in the end i just held fire until they got close then buried them in arrows and javalins.
Every single one of my bandits became elite from the battle and i made enough gold to buy all 13 of my companions milanese plate so there effectively now walking tanks and the 14 of us total on war horse's can cut through a 1000+ enemies before any 1 dies.

[nilloc93]

what are you difficulty settings?

also undead are VERY easy when they rush you, its more when they hold ground that they become a problem

[Epicrules]

what are you difficulty settings?

also undead are VERY easy when they rush you, its more when they hold ground that they become a problem

The Lolcannon disagrees.

[xenoargh]

When they sit still, it's time to make the missile troops hold fire until they're in perfect range, then batter them into bone-flakes. 

I've heard you can grow trees with 'em.

[Epicrules]

I've heard you can grow trees with 'em.

+1

[mesor]

I was playing vh/vh.

I ran the battle again using realistic tactics and got about equal results.
I had my heavy infantry advance directly but hold off  about 45 ft away my missile troops stayed behind them and took down close to 500 before running out of ammo.
These being all the light force's.

I sent my main bandit force to the left side then i took my elite guard to the right and simply charged them and bottled them up.
After that it was a pretty short fight wave after wave of undead appeared surrounded by my combined force's and were shredded i lost about 60 bandits and 300 light force's in total.

[Hallegra]

vh/vh?

[xenoargh]

Vector Hams.  They're like pigs- with wings!

IDK either; Valkyrie Hellions?  Sons of Van Halen?

[Epicrules]

I think he's implying very hard.

[nilloc93]

very heasy i think

[mesor]

Naw i meant venetian hillbilly mode.

Basicly on that setting wearing bandit style armor its more or less spam the block button and hope to hell they cant aim couse 1 arrow and your out.

Is funny though when me and my little core of elite bandits rip into huge lord's army's then sell the survivors back to there family's right before i kidnap there family's and sell them back to the survivors ( except the good looking ones ofcourse ).

Bandit's rule the world though so im starting over as a peasont who will in short order control the entire swadian empire have an army close to 1000 strong and go on a world ending rampage all wearing a pretty pink hat.