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Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« on: February 12, 2012, 10:24:30 AM »


Just wondering because I haven't seen any other armies this big, including other kings. Nothing bigger than maybe 300 or so. This is King Ragnar by the way, so I would expect him to have a large army. But this is much bigger than I expected.

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw Harlaus with 554. I guess maybe it is normal for kings to have armies this big.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 11:30:27 AM by kevindrosario »

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 01:40:41 PM »
That's nothing, I saw a 900 man army just today.  It can happen because bandits can have an insane number of prisoners due to bandit parties sticking together in bunches.  When they are finally defeated, AI lords can recruit all of the prisoners.  Don't worry though, armies that big are slow and the lord will be defeated eventually, probably by a combined army that he can't run away from or from another super huge bandit pack.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 02:15:37 PM »
It could be worse.

That was quite the party Mushir Hamezan had going on.

Before:
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Kings will often reach armies of 500+.  They get benefits for the number of fiefs they control which is at times quite a few.

Bandits absorbing prisoners into their ranks is something we'll likely limit in the next version.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 10:54:12 PM »
I saw a deserter party in one of my games with over 4000 members :0

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 09:18:27 PM »
Yeah what you'll find usually if you see and incredibly powerful king is that the other King has just lost a fight or something. Hoever over and look at the breakdown of the lower number King armies, if it's a bunch of low tier units then they've probably just lost and are re recruiting.

Although in the 2nd post it was a bug. Seemed to randomly generate masses of units (especially the native merc troops) that are meant to be out of the game with the expanded tech tree somehow.
I had a 400 strong Black Khergit Horsemen army that single handedly wiped the Saranid Sultanate's armies out :P. And mine.
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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 09:22:59 PM »
I don't believe the screenshot I posted up there was an expanded tree game, but I could be wrong.  It was a bit ago.  It was a bug from Teakle's game (which I believe was carried over from the beta period) that I fixed and sent back.  I just thought it amusing to add.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 09:25:06 PM »
I followed your quote and just modified my comment before you posted. No it was, I had it and reported it as a bug in the previous versions and it I guess it was sorted. The bandit parties also had massive numbers of non troop tree mercs as well (500+)  It was kinda funny, and I made a fortune in selling bandit prisoners, and had enough troops to garrison the world by just "releasing" prisoners the bandits had 'captured'.
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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 08:58:55 PM »
I never see armies close to that, largest I've seen is I think 268 for king Harlaus. But bandits are such pest, one time There was  herd of about 5 parties, 30 men each and there was one man who was like a bandit lord.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 05:55:42 PM »
I saw Sanjar Khan rampaging with 450+ in Vaegir lands, but the vaegirs get their act together and managed to defeat him, while I watched from safe (and far away) place. 450 smelly khergits..brrr.

The bandits are a bit too much though, I feel they regularly have more troops than most of the lords.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 05:58:23 PM by lamerstein »

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 06:23:29 PM »
Kings are supposed to be able to get up to that size, bandits will be nerfed in future versions.
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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 05:19:43 AM »
In one of game Larquen had an army around 1,800 strong. I don't remember what faction he was with at the time since he always ragequits.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 09:51:26 AM »
He probably beat a large bandit army and freed their prisoners.
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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 01:31:12 AM »
He probably beat a large bandit army and freed their prisoners.

Yeah, I just figured that out. I took on a group of about 600 steppe bandits with an allied lord and after the battle his army size jumped to over 800. There is certainly some room for exploitation there.

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2012, 11:14:56 PM »
The Ragnar in my game is about 700ish, but that's mostly from Sea Raider captives and taking ALL the lands for himself.  Seriously, one day, a bunch of lords showed up on my doorstep talking trash about Ragnar.

That's nothing, I saw a 900 man army just today.  It can happen because bandits can have an insane number of prisoners due to bandit parties sticking together in bunches.  When they are finally defeated, AI lords can recruit all of the prisoners.  Don't worry though, armies that big are slow and the lord will be defeated eventually, probably by a combined army that he can't run away from or from another super huge bandit pack.

Easy for you to say when that jerk isn't sieging your town!

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Re: Are armies supposed to be able to get this big?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 01:03:34 PM »
I was a freelancer in a some lords party when we took on 100+ prisoners and shot to 250+. They slowly deserted until his party was back to it's more normal figures, around 175. I assume this happens with those super huge parties as well.

If you were looking to tweak the prisoners thing, I would tie the prisoner quality to the size of the bandit party. Afterall, a player typically expends some of his own troops defeating that enemy party, therefore some rewards are in order. For example, say it is one of those bandit leader parties of 150-200 bandits. Once defeated perhaps they can offer certain level 5,6,7 troops for hire. If it were a more typical party, perhaps offering up level 3-4 troops would be nice. It sort of works logically as well, since the bandits would keep only the most valuable units for ransom and only the larger parties ought to have higher tier units captured, due to the difficulty in doing such.

Of course, the bandits obviously hold caravan or manhunter prisoners typically, so maybe just coding them to spawn with certain units is an option? I have no idea how the coding works....
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