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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2012, 07:49:38 PM »
Reach consensus and accept it, and than just do everything to destroy it - American way :D. Is it only me or only USA players have got so many problems about everything? I mean, that the fact that there is competition in which usa players(and other across seas countries) are invited creates so many technical problems that when you all are just gonna complain bout everything, next time maybe it will be easier to make european nation cup. We're all gonna save so much time and nerves. Because matches between europe and america are not on top skill-level of tournament and will never be. Because every match where one side has got 140 ping and other 50 is not even and it all comes to luck and major mistakes - which is something that won't usually happen often. That's why every match where plays USA against other decent european team its gonna be close to 10:10. (France - USA is kind of proving that point). Our match vs USA in last ncup wher not fun(im talking as one of the polish players). Even though we win, it was not fun, it wasn't well played and it was for me waste of time. Because 140ping plays demands changing tactics and forces very safe - shooting concentrated fights. and duels usually looks like - 150ping guy shields up and waits until he is 150% sure that he cant be spammed with this delay, and than he makes one attack. Duels on pings like that when same level players are against will 95% of the time favor better ping player.
Concluding I just think that USA players should be glad that so many teams are willing to take part in tournament with them inside and try not to be complaining about everything they see.
Also I love the way that after PL-BRA match the drama is made by Americans - its strange that Brasilians can't speak up for themselves. And im not complaining about decision that organisators made because we don't really care. But the fault wasn't on our side and we waited for over 1! hour (and even additional time before changing spawns) for any server to come available and we even tried to look for one ourselves. We were not obliged to do so. and after that we are getting black-pred by americans who are not even slightly objective. "Poland abuse Brasil!" "Save Brasilians from villian poles" - thats just BS where the auther don't even pretend to be objective.
Im writing it just as a personal opinion of a player but i know that many people in my team feel the same. I think im done :D
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2012, 08:07:26 PM »
Reach consensus and accept it, and than just do everything to destroy it - American way :D. Is it only me or only USA players have got so many problems about everything? I mean, that the fact that there is competition in which usa players(and other across seas countries) are invited creates so many technical problems that when you all are just gonna complain bout everything, next time maybe it will be easier to make european nation cup. We're all gonna save so much time and nerves. Because matches between europe and america are not on top skill-level of tournament and will never be. Because every match where one side has got 140 ping and other 50 is not even and it all comes to luck and major mistakes - which is something that won't usually happen often. That's why every match where plays USA against other decent european team its gonna be close to 10:10. (France - USA is kind of proving that point). Our match vs USA in last ncup wher not fun(im talking as one of the polish players). Even though we win, it was not fun, it wasn't well played and it was for me waste of time. Because 140ping plays demands changing tactics and forces very safe - shooting concentrated fights. and duels usually looks like - 150ping guy shields up and waits until he is 150% sure that he cant be spammed with this delay, and than he makes one attack. Duels on pings like that when same level players are against will 95% of the time favor better ping player.
Concluding I just think that USA players should be glad that so many teams are willing to take part in tournament with them inside and try not to be complaining about everything they see.
Also I love the way that after PL-BRA match the drama is made by Americans - its strange that Brasilians can't speak up for themselves. And im not complaining about decision that organisators made because we don't really care. But the fault wasn't on our side and we waited for over 1! hour (and even additional time before changing spawns) for any server to come available and we even tried to look for one ourselves. We were not obliged to do so. and after that we are getting black-pred by americans who are not even slightly objective. "Poland abuse Brasil!" "Save Brasilians from villian poles" - thats just BS where the auther don't even pretend to be objective.
Im writing it just as a personal opinion of a player but i know that many people in my team feel the same. I think im done :D

I don't remember signing a contract that said I agreed to anything. I remember signing up for a tournament with shitty rules.

There's a language barrier problem here though. The whole "Save Brazil thing" borderlined joking. Yes, we thought the match was unfair and should be replayed, but we didn't think you guys were villians. The exaggeration of the unfairness of the match was done in order to ensure a fairer replay. It isn't that strange that the Brazilians couldn't speak up for themselves when you consider the fact that only maybe 1 or 2 of them speak english, and not very well at that. And they aren't particularly active on the forum.

Honestly, don't you think it's kinda an ******* move to say things like "USA should be glad we LET them play"? Cause you said and implied that a few times. Why wouldn't we be allowed to play in an international tournament? We're just as much a nation as Poland, or France, or Brazil, or every other nation. And I'm fairly sure there's a match thats 20-0 to USA even with us playing at higher ping half the time. And many players in Europe can play well on American servers and vice versa. Of course, many cannot. Also, 95% of the time favoring the lower ping player? Where did you pull that number from? Let me guess. Your ass. Don't make up numbers you don't know. Nobody knows how many times a duel will favor a lower ping player. And nobody is really on equal skill anyway.

Stop playing the hate-America card and start listening to the arguments.

Honestly, whether a map is "open" or "closed" right now is based on what whoever made that system thinks.
There we go. You're showing sings of understanding how the system works.

If the close/open system is implemented to make things fair, why is it based off one persons opinion of the game?
It's actually not just one person who decides on it. It is one person and every other people who accept the rules and participate in his tournament.

Accepting the rules and participating in the tournament doesn't mean I decided on the rules. It means I want to play despite the fact that the determining factor for "fairness" is decided by one person. The reasoning I'm arguing is because I don't think it's fair, and I think my team got slighted because of unfair rules and I don't want it to happen again, to us or to anyone.
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2012, 08:15:17 PM »
I don't remember signing a contract that said I agreed to anything. I remember signing up for a tournament with shitty rules.

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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2012, 08:15:24 PM »
Accepting the rules and participating in the tournament doesn't mean I decided on the rules.
It means you agreed to them. If the rules aren't to your liking, you have the option to not play.

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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2012, 08:17:02 PM »
Accepting the rules and participating in the tournament doesn't mean I decided on the rules.
It means you agreed to them. If the rules aren't to your liking, you have the option to not play.

I also have the option of questioning them. I'm choosing that one for now.
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2012, 08:24:29 PM »
I really hope that USA wins this NCUP. Believe me i really do. Because then we could see how the whole home and away system rly sucks. We as all europeans team need to practice 90% time to win with other europeans teams. Which is practice playing on low pings. And Americans can practice and have much more experience in playing this home away system. Is it fair Zero :D? Because we will play one match(maybe 2) on 150 ping. And USA will play all of them and will be comfortable with it! Unfair!
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2012, 08:29:38 PM »
I really hope that USA wins this NCUP. Believe me i really do. Because then we could see how the whole home and away system rly sucks.


So you're saying that if USA wins, it will only be because we were playing on high ping half the time, which is unfair to you?
We as all europeans team need to practice 90% time to win with other europeans teams. Which is practice playing on low pings. And Americans can practice and have much more experience in playing this home away system. Is it fair Zero :D? Because we will play one match(maybe 2) on 150 ping. And USA will play all of them and will be comfortable with it! Unfair!

Again with this number bullshit. Show me the math that gave you 90%. Cause that number is complete bullshit. And you honestly think that it's an advantage to play half of almost every match on high ping? lol. Ok. How about you play half of all of your matches in America, no matter what team you're playing against. Then it would be fair.

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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2012, 08:38:00 PM »
Sorry I can't really work this one out. Are you saying that the maps should be changed for the final so they're more suited to the USA, because you're not so good at closed maps?

If so, lol.

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« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2012, 09:36:42 PM »
Last Ncup facts.
Poland played sth like 10 out of 11 matches bcause we got 1 walkover i think.
In this there was 1match against USA and 1 against canada.
2/10 matches were played on home away system for us. It makes 20%(so its 80% not 90%. Damn. Also some ppl didnt have canada in group so for example France has got around 90% plays on normal system and not home-away). For usa it was 100% on H-A i think.
So we have alot less experience on playing with 140 pingd because we played only 20 rounds with it. While you got 100rounds on high ping. Unfair! And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that if you win its only because we are not used to play on high pings. What I am saying that the form of checking the skill is wrong and it gives advantage to you as you play more this way. And obviously if we would know that we are facing you in knockout phase we would probly practice on american servers to get as good as it is possible. But still its us who need to practice and not you as you got your matches this way all the time.
And tbh i dont expect anything to be done to even it out because i think its impossible. What I am saying that tournament has its flaws but they are impossible to resolve. And its the same with this RV map. Its more of an open map that its closed. Frosty village has the same issue as RV. The maps are not as open as others but still they are not closed in any way. So they are accordingly to common sense placed in the open map category. And what i see here is that you are not feeling comfortable on map which has a little closed space so you want to avoid playing on it. Its too late now.
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2012, 11:54:27 PM »
Sorry I can't really work this one out. Are you saying that the maps should be changed for the final so they're more suited to the USA, because you're not so good at closed maps?

If so, lol.

No, I'm saying the system of classifying maps as open or closed and then using them in the tournament based off some guys opinion is shit.

Last Ncup facts.
Poland played sth like 10 out of 11 matches bcause we got 1 walkover i think.
In this there was 1match against USA and 1 against canada.
2/10 matches were played on home away system for us. It makes 20%(so its 80% not 90%. Damn. Also some ppl didnt have canada in group so for example France has got around 90% plays on normal system and not home-away). For usa it was 100% on H-A i think.
So we have alot less experience on playing with 140 pingd because we played only 20 rounds with it. While you got 100rounds on high ping. Unfair! And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that if you win its only because we are not used to play on high pings. What I am saying that the form of checking the skill is wrong and it gives advantage to you as you play more this way. And obviously if we would know that we are facing you in knockout phase we would probly practice on american servers to get as good as it is possible. But still its us who need to practice and not you as you got your matches this way all the time.
And tbh i dont expect anything to be done to even it out because i think its impossible. What I am saying that tournament has its flaws but they are impossible to resolve. And its the same with this RV map. Its more of an open map that its closed. Frosty village has the same issue as RV. The maps are not as open as others but still they are not closed in any way. So they are accordingly to common sense placed in the open map category. And what i see here is that you are not feeling comfortable on map which has a little closed space so you want to avoid playing on it. Its too late now.

How the **** is it an advantage to play, as you say, at 140 ping all the time. Like are you kidding me? Given a choice, would you rather play 1 match at 140 ping or all of them? I'm guessing 1, because it's the least stupid...
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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #220 on: March 25, 2012, 01:09:49 AM »
Last Ncup facts.
Poland played sth like 10 out of 11 matches bcause we got 1 walkover i think.
In this there was 1match against USA and 1 against canada.
2/10 matches were played on home away system for us. It makes 20%(so its 80% not 90%. Damn. Also some ppl didnt have canada in group so for example France has got around 90% plays on normal system and not home-away). For usa it was 100% on H-A i think.
So we have alot less experience on playing with 140 pingd because we played only 20 rounds with it. While you got 100rounds on high ping. Unfair! And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that if you win its only because we are not used to play on high pings. What I am saying that the form of checking the skill is wrong and it gives advantage to you as you play more this way. And obviously if we would know that we are facing you in knockout phase we would probly practice on american servers to get as good as it is possible. But still its us who need to practice and not you as you got your matches this way all the time.
And tbh i dont expect anything to be done to even it out because i think its impossible. What I am saying that tournament has its flaws but they are impossible to resolve. And its the same with this RV map. Its more of an open map that its closed. Frosty village has the same issue as RV. The maps are not as open as others but still they are not closed in any way. So they are accordingly to common sense placed in the open map category. And what i see here is that you are not feeling comfortable on map which has a little closed space so you want to avoid playing on it. Its too late now.
You have the entire tournament and a week in which to practice between matches with high ping if you want to get used to it, if you don't put the time in to get used to it then of course you're going to be at a disadvantage. I don't believe this is happening on any noticeable scale as I haven't seen many European players on US servers over the past few weeks, unless they're playing under alias'.


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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #221 on: March 25, 2012, 01:28:54 AM »
*sammac plays his hate America card*

Reveran village is an open map.


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« Reply #222 on: March 25, 2012, 01:42:29 AM »
No, I'm saying the system of classifying maps as open or closed and then using them in the tournament based off some guys opinion is shit.
What part of "People agree to it" did you not understand? Start a petition about it or just leave the goddamn tournament. That "one guy" does change things when the majority express their opinion towards them. Whining on this thread will get you nothing.

This is not the "Hate America" card I'm playing. This is the "You accepted the ******** rules when you joined the tournament, now stop whining about them and stop giving people reason to hate you." card.

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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #223 on: March 25, 2012, 01:53:05 AM »
No, I'm saying the system of classifying maps as open or closed and then using them in the tournament based off some guys opinion is shit.
What part of "People agree to it" did you not understand? Start a petition about it or just leave the goddamn tournament. That "one guy" does change things when the majority express their opinion towards them. Whining on this thread will get you nothing.

This is not the "Hate America" card I'm playing. This is the "You accepted the ******** rules when you joined the tournament, now stop whining about them and stop giving people reason to hate you." card.
Who the **** are you to tell us what to do ? To me atleast your just an ignorant turk we are going to have to shit stomp. We had no previous competitive experience and didnt know these maps enough to judge them before the tournament. We played a match on it and feel its more of a closed map then open. We are expressing our opinions if you dont like them ignore them. We are part of this tournament and we have the right to contest rules and question them. I questioned it and so far iirc alex posted once but his post did not explaim how its a open map. My question still stands why and how is it a open map. ( this directed at event adminstrators )


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Re: [NC2012] - Questions and Answers
« Reply #224 on: March 25, 2012, 02:03:56 AM »
Who the **** are you to tell us what to do ? To me at least your just an ignorant Turk we are going to have to shit stomp.
Nope, not gonna reply to personal insults. Thank you.

We had no previous competitive experience and didn't know these maps enough to judge them before the tournament.
Your own fault, isn't it?

We are expressing our opinions if you dont like them ignore them.
I don't care about you expressing your opinion on the map and I never stated an opinion on that. Mr.X was not talking about the map. He was talking about how the tournament is run. I'm pretty sure that is something you need to keep in mind before deciding to enter a tournament. Whining about the decision-making part of the tournament afterwards is bad attitude.

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