Muscovite Tsardom?

[sractus]

I mean, I understand the addon was made by Ukrainians who happen to be pretty Russophobic, but seriously, what's the reason for expressing your hatred in a game that is going to be played by many people, including Russians?

The reason why I'm asking is that the Tsardom of Russia is called Muscovite for some reason, only Ukrainians (and Poles sometimes) call it that way due to their historical offense. But why not be more politically correct and open minded? I, as a Russian, find this little fact somewhat ruining the gameplay for me.

[QWW]

Russia, being based in Moscow is Muscovite. Just like calling me Canadian. Tsar is the current monarch. Thus Muscovite (Moscow) Tsardom (Government Type)

[phoenixguard09]

Russian wasn't united at the point this game is set was it?

So it would make sense for it to be Muscovy rather than, well Russia right?

These aren't rhetorical questuions, I seriously don't know.

[sractus]

Russia, being based in Moscow is Muscovite. Just like calling me Canadian. Tsar is the current monarch. Thus Muscovite (Moscow) Tsardom (Government Type)

According to your logic, Poland should be called Warsawan Oligarchy, but it's not. Since the game is intended to be historically accurate (to some adequate extent, of course), I see no reason why would Russia be named Muscovy.

Russian wasn't united at the point this game is set was it?

So it would make sense for it to be Muscovy rather than, well Russia right?

These aren't rhetorical questuions, I seriously don't know.

It was united long before the events in the game. In fact, Alexei was the last tsar of the Tsardom of Russia before it turned into the Russian Empire (well, not really the last, but the last one remarkable).

[QWW]

I mean, I understand the addon was made by Ukrainians who happen to be pretty Russophobic, but seriously, what's the reason for expressing your hatred in a game that is going to be played by many people, including Russians?

The reason why I'm asking is that the Tsardom of Russia is called Muscovite for some reason, only Ukrainians (and Poles sometimes) call it that way due to their historical offense. But why not be more politically correct and open minded? I, as a Russian, find this little fact somewhat ruining the gameplay for me.

I was just making it simple. Yes, it was originally Muscovy. But there was also Pskov, Novgorod, Tver, Ryazan, Parts of the Teutonic Order and Parts of Lithuania. (Not Poland, but when they were under Union.)

Russia, being based in Moscow is Muscovite. Just like calling me Canadian. Tsar is the current monarch. Thus Muscovite (Moscow) Tsardom (Government Type)

According to your logic, Poland should be called Warsawan Oligarchy, but it's not. Since the game is intended to be historically accurate (to some adequate extent, of course), I see no reason why would Russia be named Muscovy.

Russian wasn't united at the point this game is set was it?

So it would make sense for it to be Muscovy rather than, well Russia right?

These aren't rhetorical questuions, I seriously don't know.

It was united long before the events in the game. In fact, Alexei was the last tsar of the Tsardom of Russia before it turned into the Russian Empire (well, not really the last, but the last one remarkable).

No, each country can choose how it is named in a way. It's the Same way as the Kingdom of Sweden, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It is saying that. Poland wasn't created like Russia.

[sractus]

I don't see how naming the faction Russia would be more complicated than calling it Muscovy. The last one obviously causes more controversy.

[QWW]

Tsardom of Russia was also known as Tsardom of Muscovy. The way SicH did it, is just a different way of putting it, it could be translation or just how they say it.

[sractus]

As I mentioned, it was only known as the Muscovian Tsardom by Poles and Ukrainians due to their historical, excuse me, butthurt. It has always been called Russia and I see no single reason to use that incorrect name.

[jackx]

Nationalism. Almost as serious a business as the internet. Some of these diatribes feel like necroposts from the 19th century... *sigh*

It may have been slightly more "Russia" at this time than the HRE was "Germany", but as much as you like to read a hidden agenda into it (and being not obsessed with these pointless disputes myself, I'll concede that I can't really tell if there was one), "Muscovite Tsardom" also just happens to be how it is commonly referred to in English historical publications dealing with this time period, so it's hardly a bad choice for an international release. But of course, ignorant as I am, I'm probably just failing to see the global conspiracy instigated by Poles and Ukrainians to slander holy mother Russia.

[sractus]

It WAS Russia because it consisted of the Russian cities like Novgorod, Smolensk, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod, etc, which were taken away from us by the Golden Horde and Poland/Lithuania. Moscow just happened to be the strongest princedom (not tsardom btw, the rulers of Moscow were all princes aka knyaz until the unification of Russia) that managed to unite them all under one Russian banner. HRE was more like a union which wasn't entirely German (it also had Schleswig-Holstein, Croatia, Bohemia, Slovenia, Lorraine and Alsace in it that weren't German at all)

Also, don't ridicule my point. It's not about some metaphoric conspiracy, it's about the incorrect name for my country used by Ukrainians (who created the addon) which offends me because that name is in 99% of the cases used in a negative context. It's like if the Cossack Hetmanate was called Hohlostan or something like that.

[bobross419]

Nationalism. Almost as serious a business as the internet. Some of these diatribes feel like necroposts from the 19th century... *sigh*

Almost woke up my wife with lols.

[jackx]

Mission accomplished. 

Also, to the best extent of my knowledge, "Muscovite Tsardom" has no negative connotation in English, and is used interchangeably with "Russian Tsardom" for this period of history. Colloquially, "Russia" is used as well, but generally not in serious historical publications.

[bobross419]

This has been debated to the point of nausea over on the Wiki talk page for Tsardom of Russia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tsardom_of_Russia

In case anyone is really, really interested in the whole potato/potato errrm... Muscovite/Russia thing.

[QWW]

Mission accomplished. 

Also, to the best extent of my knowledge, "Muscovite Tsardom" has no negative connotation in English, and is used interchangeably with "Russian Tsardom" for this period of history. Colloquially, "Russia" is used as well, but generally not in serious historical publications.

Thank you. Maybe he'll listen and not randomly make up country names.

[sractus]

Mission accomplished. 

Also, to the best extent of my knowledge, "Muscovite Tsardom" has no negative connotation in English, and is used interchangeably with "Russian Tsardom" for this period of history. Colloquially, "Russia" is used as well, but generally not in serious historical publications.

Thank you. Maybe he'll listen and not randomly make up country names.

Make up country names? Are you serious or trolling?