Just a minor annoyance.

[Waidulf]

Well, just my two cents:

I don't care about teamstacking Fenrisbarn-members, to be honest. In my opinion it's just a challenge for their enemies - and believe me - there are tactics to get them crushed and it's allways a pleasure. Jav their spearmen, it works fantastic, force them to leave formation, mob them to death. Not every Fenrisbarn-Member is an one-man-klling-machine like Bjorn is. I know this  ! And I LOVE to fight them  .

But nevertheless - I can understand that random or new players are annoyed in 5 vs 5 matches. And, ffs (!), normally Fyrningas don't stack THAT way, which includes using TS and superior line fight / tactics in a normal game. So, that's it.

Calm down everybody. This is a game - we are not at war. And if so - we can do an ALL vs Fenrisbarf event  ... including LF and Fyrningas.

[Linear]

I NEVER typed anything about jealousy in any way, you just depict stuff in a completely emotional and exaggerated way.
I just wrote "It's Teamwork" after someone (i guess it was guthmund) started complaining rudely about us winning in this ridicioulusly long match today. Don't make shit up buddy, it's not fair at all.

Deleted Post: I didn't type that and you know it.

satisfied?

Mate, you're bare face lying, you and Ragnar said all this shit to specifically me, and Ragnar wasn't Role playing in the slightest, it was literally directed to me. I complained rudely because constantly getting gang raped off the fenrisbarn steam roller becomes some what tedious over months, and then in the last week and a half i personally have been getting attitude with it, in my own ******** clans server, now a lot of you think i am the most 'disrespectful' of my clan, and this is most of you're clans answer to me as to why i have been getting attitude as told by your self and ragnar. say that all that you will, i just cant bite my tongue when you are hypocrites. Me and Mabons got shit of a couple of you yesterday because we questioned you're infamous tactics which i KNOW with out a doubt in my heart a massive percentage of the community have begun to dislike you for, some more than others.
EDIT: just do me a favor, don't lie about stuff, its the last thing we need in this matter.

[Halvar]

I think clan stickers must be very young people having so much fun winning again and again and again...and I feel always amused to see such ambitioned players on the battlefield and sometimes I remember my own youth and how I behaved during the last century...nevertheless, I see it as challenge as Waidwulf before to try to break clan formations and kill those hated overhead spear zombies! So I give permission to clan sticking as long as clan stickers have great fun in their formations and don't feel silly to win again and again. And don't subjugate yourself to group pressure, clan stickers! Feel encouraged to change factions and feel free to feel the freedom of rabbledom!

Regards,

Old One, Clan Chief of the Graumaehnen

[Cora]

  tis whole clan stacking is waht made me stop playing vikingwaaaaaah regularly and move on toother modules 

looks liek its still the same like when i left! shame!

[Linear]

tis whole clan stacking is waht made me stop playing vikingwaaaaaah regularly and move on toother modules 

looks liek its still the same like when i left! shame!

Its a shame to see a once regular player pushed away for reasons like this :/

[Celtichugs]

What's the point in being in a clan or warband if you're not allowed to play along side each other?

I am geniunly asking, I am unsure what the issue is. Not trolling or being sarkie, could somone please explain.

Maybe the issue lays with the counter-attack not the clearly well drilled clan infront of you.

Confused

[Waidulf]

What's the point in being in a clan or warband if you're not allowed to play along side each other?

I am geniunly asking, I am unsure what the issue is. Not trolling or being sarkie, could somone please explain.

Maybe the issue lays with the counter-attack not the clearly well drilled clan infront of you.

Confused

Well, there is no problem at all - for me  ! As said before - just ignore that way of playing and kill them by using tactics and your brain. Running straight into the Fenrisbarn-Front will lead to death - normally  !

It's ok if someone is annoyed, but that's life. This is just a game and nobody is forced to like the Fenrisbarns. The only point where I get angry personally is if someone asserts that the Fyrningas do the same. Cause they don't do. The Fenrisbarn-Clan just EXISTS cause the Fyrninga-Clan did not want to use "hardcore-pro-gaming-tactics" in every round.
That may sound hard, but is no offense at all.

And about the stuff "You said / You said not / I did not say" ... just have a look at the server logs if possible. This is a game, stop the Kindergarten !

[Ben797]

If you want training, Bjorn should use his fists or a seax and the spearkids behind him should learn to use a sword, you will be a more complete fighter and far more usefull when Bjorn gets hit by a jav in the head.

[Celtichugs]

So people are annoyed becouse a clan is being clan'y?

[Barabas]

What's the point in being in a clan or warband if you're not allowed to play along side each other?

I am geniunly asking, I am unsure what the issue is. Not trolling or being sarkie, could somone please explain.

Maybe the issue lays with the counter-attack not the clearly well drilled clan infront of you.

Confused

The problem is not that they play together. The problem is that they play together and use tactics which makes them miles better then a random collection of casual players. This makes the teams very unbalanced and takes away the fun for a lot of people. And it's not fair to demand from the casual players to also get organized and fight in formation, for they might not have the means and/or the will.
Some might see it as a challange, like Waidulf and Halvar, but others get annoyed by having to put in so much effort just to not get steamrolled. Sure you can play together as a clan, but it's only decent (and I thought natural) to keep things fair and balanced so everyone can enjoy the game.

So people are annoyed becouse a clan is being clan'y?

People are annoyed because they have to work hard to have fun, which takes away from the fun

Harkon probably explained it better then me ^^

[Harkon Haakonson]

What's the point in being in a clan or warband if you're not allowed to play along side each other?

I am geniunly asking, I am unsure what the issue is. Not trolling or being sarkie, could somone please explain.

Maybe the issue lays with the counter-attack not the clearly well drilled clan infront of you.

Confused

It's seriously not that hard to understand Celtic, like me and Éadric stated at one point, it's NO PROBLEM to play together as long as the server has dozens of people on and 5 people moving as a group won't do much harm.

Obviously, when there's 10 to 15 people, it becomes rather annoying and creates a huge handicap, to have to deal with 5 people who have the advantage of voice communication and practice in fighting together, it's a matter of public balance and it's common sense to avoid abusive stacking at all costs, in any server. I don't know if you have very limited experienced in online gaming but that's pretty much it, public servers are to be regarded as serious, yet casual in their core as far as gameplay is concerned.
Being "clany" is what skirmishes, events and organized battles of any sort are for.

[Moeckerkalfie]

The insult thing should be set aside for now, all this quarreling and bickering has been going on for months anyway, and I am rather disappointed with it. We will just have a look at the server logs and discuss it internally.

I can see the excitement in playing together quite well, but at the same time I see it getting frustrating for the public players, as it has always been for the losing side in Vikingr. If you log in each day to get slaughtered it is no wonder some people decide to rather leave, so there is no way around easing the situation by avoiding clan stacking most of the time. Still if it happens once in a while that shouldn't be much of a problem, just every day is indeed too much.

If we had more events or matches they would be a better opportunity for playing in this way, but I just can not organize all of them myself while fiddling with the patches at the same time, so you will have to organize yourselves with this or there is little that can be done from my side.

The problem all goes down to the low player numbers again, for I noticed in larger games the clan stacking makes little difference for the outcome. And at the same time we obviously only have few active clans that could counterbalance things, or offer something beyond public playing. One would expect things to change in a few days though, and so I would recommend not taking the current situation too gravely.

For the future I would suggest that for the sake of organised fighting actual matches or events should be organized, so that there is a healthy counterweight to public playing, without both interferring with each other. The event organization thread is open, and if only someone has the initiative it shouldn't be too difficult to get enough people together, and as far as my time allows I can help where it is necessary.

[Celtichugs]

Aha right. Cheers Harkon.

Well, now I understand clearly, I couldn't disagree more!

Been part of a gaming clan for years now and we rarely get complaints about team-stacking on our server, when we do we sometimes even it out, and I mean sometimes like only when we are vastly beating the other team. If not, tough luck. Play/fight better is what I say. We use Public hours as training too, though much less formal, or practical than actual training, mainly learning the maps etc. Whereas actual training is much more mathc focused... Anyway, getting a tad off topic.
 
Just my two cents.

[Harkon Haakonson]

Largely depends on what game you are playing too, of course.

Say, noone gives a shit about "clanstacking" in a game like Counter-Strike because many thousands of people play it and you'll always have presence in any given decent server. Vikingr has an extremely small community all in all, so it's very detrimental to the game to clanstack hardcore.

And people can't just "play/fight better", you're still missing the point... Do you SERIOUSLY consider it fair to play with a team you've been together with "for many years" in a would-be casual setting, against people who never met each other but are thrown onto the same team? Chances are they might be even better players individually and maybe they could put up a great fight if they had "many years" or maybe just a few days to practice together. You have the advantage of communication and team synergy, they obviously don't. Argue all you want that they can try to communicate, but it's clearly not as natural or easy for people who don't know each other to do so, than for a clan.

Not judging you for doing so btw, I just think that anyone would at least agree with these arguments as it's mostly common-sense.

[Celtichugs]

Harkon please do not appologise, or say you wish not to couse offence or judging me becouse I know you are not! It really bothers me that polite and kind, or what should be considered normal, people and bahviour needs to be pointed out. Woe and lament to the World when everything ever said should be taken with doses or salt and should be taken offence too!

Anyway! I do not think it fair but I do not think it unfair... I think it, well, nothing. I think it's just part of the gaming world at large. I think clans and warbands should work together and play together even if they are thrashing the other team, it's up to that clan not the community or an admin to decide weather he or she should swap sides etc. I believe a clan-mate should go out of their way to play with thier team-mates, if that can't happen then just play the other sides. It's when clan-warband members wait in Spectator for hours just to play with thier team mates - that, I feel, is a step too far.

I agree, Vikingr is a smaller community, but that should - in theory - make it easier to counter the clan-made sheild-wall marching towards you. I mean, there are counter-measures they are just rarely, if ever, used by the none-clanmtes or regulars. If these measures and a general sense of team-play was used amongst 'publicers' then they would stand a much better chance agianst said clan.

That said, as we all know that is very hard to do...