Religion Thread

[Uther]

Being strict all you can really say is that you don't remember being conscious. It's possible that you are conscious during that non-remembered sleep-time.

Eh, really "strictly speaking" we end up wallowing in radical skepticism, considering solipsism and stuff

Our own bodies aren't the only things available to us to draw conclusions.
We know a bit about sleep by now, and know how to tell whether a person is conscious or not (eye movements, brain activity and whatnot). AFAIK, during first stages of non-REM sleep the person very rarely dreams. But even if they did, my main point is that being passed out is not disagreeable...although the process of passing out may be.

[Magorian Aximand]

Via Magorian's channel, which I decided to revisit due to this thread, one can stumble 'pon lots and lots of semi-trolls and weak minds who attempt to prove God is real/'evolutionists' are retarded.

IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ATHEISTS. Yes, think about this one.
THE GREATEST ARGUMENT AGAINST ATHEISM!!!!
Facts 'stupid scientists' can't answer.


Comedy gold, frankly. Though I'll easily admit there's bound to be damn stupid atheist youtube clips, I don't think these can be topped. They might all three be trolls though; 'least I hope so.

Oh tamtampamela. What a classic. Still can't tell if she's a poe.

[Uther]

She is. She admitted it after her Japanese tsunami video.

[Magorian Aximand]

Lol. Dark humor.

[BattleOfValmy]

Those three videos all hurt my brain. Stop it.

[theAthenian]

Those three videos all hurt my brain. Stop it.

This.

[Headmaster]

IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ATHEISTS. Yes, think about this one.

 
Holy shit.

[BattleOfValmy]

She's totally just faking it, or stoned.

[Magorian Aximand]

It was just established that she was faking it.

[BattleOfValmy]

Didn't know her name was "tamtampamela."

[Magorian Aximand]

How many other "shes" did you see in the videos in question?

It's just not a serious argument.

If something can never happen because I would never want for it to happen, and I know for a fact that I would never change my mind, that makes me the most powerful being in the universe on that one thing. Expand that one thing to every thing, and I am all powerful.

If you are asleep and dreaming, and you have total control of your dream and cannot for some reason be impacted by anything outside of the dream (pretend you have a forcefield preventing all contact with the outside world), are you not simultaneously omniscient and omnipotent in the context of the dream? After all, nothing can happen without you thnking of it happening. Your knwoledge that you are the cause for all things does not make you any less powerful over them.

Your entire argument is based on the idea that god and the universe must be separate things. They are not - the dream is part of the sleeper.

If you know at the beginning of the dream exactly how the dream will play out, then the dream cannot play out in any other manner. If the dream cannot play out in any other manner, then you are incapable of controlling the dream.

No, the argument is not based on the idea that the universe must be separate from God. God's relationship to the universe is rather irrelevant. Even if the universe did not exist, if God knew infallibly what actions he would perform on his own, he'd be incapable of performing them any differently. Your objection that God knows he'd never change his mind misses the point. I have already showed why preference doesn't matter. The point is that if things can only happen one way, and God knows the way in which they will happen, then he is incapable of doing anything else. If God is incapable of anything he isn't omnipotent. It does not matter if God wants things to happen a certain way, and his actions make them happen that way, and he simply won't change his mind about the way he wants things to happen, it would be impossible for him to be able to do anything else. You cannot know what will happen and be capable of anything else.

[BattleOfValmy]

How many other "shes" did you see in the videos in question?

The other two very likely could've been made by a she, they were both just voiceless compilations.

[Magorian Aximand]

How many other "shes" did you see in the videos in question?

The other two very likely could've been made by a she, they were both just voiceless compilations.

So you didn't see any women, eh?


Mage, I think a better way to articulate the problem you're having is this: It is one thing to want your dream to play out a certain way, and you have the power to make it happen. It is something else entirely to know with infallible certainty the way in which the dream will play out. In the first scenario, the being is not omniscient, simply capable of actualizing desired circumstances. The sleeper is not literally viewing future events as fact. If on the other hand the being does see future events as fact, then those are the events that must happen and, regardless of causal interaction with those events or desire for their outcome, no other outcome is possible.

[AWdeV]

Those three videos, especially the last one, make me want to choke bitches. All of them.

[Nipplemelter]

The point is that if things can only happen one way, and God knows the way in which they will happen, then he is incapable of doing anything else. If God is incapable of anything he isn't omnipotent.

But God works in mysterious ways that you are incapable of understanding, Magorian.