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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 06:49:28 AM »
This is a question I've pondered on for a while, and I would hope there are some people more adequately qualified to answer it than me on this forum. So.

Would form fitting plate armour actually work? Plate is very deliberately designed to deflect hits due to its shape. Would plate still have this protective quality if it were better designed to fit a female body?

For the record, I'm talking about form fitting armour similar to how heavy armour in Dragon Age: Origins fits on female characters (I hope Taleworlds don't smite me for mentioning other RPGs)
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A point to note is that the foundational layers of armour generally obliterate any semblance of a feminine silhouette. A garment that is made of (essentially) quilts tends to do that. More well-fitted arming jackets can and did exist for use with plate, but in that case the plate's going to cover everything up anyway.

Form-fitted plate armour wouldn't work nearly as well as proper armour as the other posters have mentioned, but it will still do its job. It's just suboptimal and extremely uncomfortable once the armour has taken any amount of damage. Also, the inclusion of boob bulges betray an almost complete lack of awareness of anatomy. Breasts aren't rigid unless you're a porn star. There's no need for boob bulges unless the person in question has something like a H-cup, and even in that case a slight adjustment of the breastplate would probably allow a much better fit than contouring the metal to the breasts.

There's no doubt that female plate armour has to be tailored differently from male armour because of the differences in anatomical proportions; for instance, munitions armour designed for men would probably be an awful fit for women, but that's very different from the kind of form-fitting armour that you are speaking of.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 02:20:55 PM »
okay - here's my suggestions.

Armour right (silver/grey) looks like the plate ends at the nipples, more or less.   Bit silly.   Take the plate higher up, all the way to the throat.  And smooth over the chest.  If you want to see how it would look, pull on 3 or four layers of clothing.  If you want to see how a tight-fitting plate would look, make that 3 or 4 layers of tight clothing.

You will notice that although there is a swelling at your chest, there is in no way a distinct 'cleavage' between 2 bumps.

Those elbow and shoulder and wrist pieces (in layman's terms) are too showy and will most likely just get tangled in your reins, bowstring and hair.
replace the big lumps of steel with thick leather, and maille over the leather.  This can then more or less lie parallel with the body and be flexible.


Less joints on the lower-abdomen piece.  Joints are where the arrows go at close range, or the daggers in a scrum-melee.  And then you're dead.

From the waist down just fine for infantry, although you clearly have access to enough maille to be able to have maille leggings instead of those cloth... pyjamas?

For cavalry or mounted infantry, take that daft plate away from between the legs - it's going to have to lie along the spine of your horse, and means that the whole skirt of the maille will end up bunched around your hips.   Slit the maille skirt front and back so that the armour will hang down over your legs when on horseback.

And, this is a personal thing, coming form a part of the world where rain makes the ground slippery 363 days of the year....
LOSE THE STEEL FOOTWORK!!
a pair of hobnailed boots, if you must with mail or steel plate reinforcement.
That way you won't spend the last moments of your life flat on your back thinking... 'was that a banana skin?'
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 04:50:07 PM »
i know thread  necromancery, but i found this page today, it goes quite well into to depth about female armour and fantasy art, although many of the points have already been covered i think its worth sharing:

http://madartlab.com/2011/12/14/fantasy-armor-and-lady-bits/
But my deduction to all these problems is much more believable.


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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 04:53:02 PM »
But why is this form fitting armor never criticized?

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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2012, 05:16:49 PM »
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I don't think that counts as form fitting, to be honest. It's simply a breastplate shaped LIKE the human body, but the person wearing it need not actually look like that.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 05:37:34 PM »
I don't think that counts as form fitting, to be honest. It's simply a breastplate shaped LIKE the human body, but the person wearing it need not actually look like that.
But the proportions look like it would fit as a second skin to any average male.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 06:19:16 PM »
I don't think that counts as form fitting, to be honest. It's simply a breastplate shaped LIKE the human body, but the person wearing it need not actually look like that.
But the proportions look like it would fit as a second skin to any  male.
Average? I think not.
Try Adonis and you have a tight fit.

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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 06:21:05 PM »
I don't think that counts as form fitting, to be honest. It's simply a breastplate shaped LIKE the human body, but the person wearing it need not actually look like that.
But the proportions look like it would fit as a second skin to any  male.
Average? I think not.
Try Adonis and you have a tight fit.

This guy looks like he matches it.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 07:05:42 PM »
average? do you look like that? i know i dont.. and i am an average male. oh so average.

but yea it is shaped, but think of it more as properganda, those guys were saying you fight us you fight uber fit motherfuckers. its the ancient greek ideal.

but for criticism im not sure a pec wouldnt have the disadvantage of a pair of tits, in the terms of catching blades or directing the blows. plus theyre mostly bronze they were the height of technology for the time, until iron/steel became more popular a couple hundred yeras afterwards (or when ever) then it wouldnt realy matter what shape it was as iron can beat bronze very easily.
But my deduction to all these problems is much more believable.


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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 09:41:00 PM »
average? do you look like that? i know i dont.. and i am an average male. oh so average.

but yea it is shaped, but think of it more as properganda, those guys were saying you fight us you fight uber fit motherfuckers. its the ancient greek ideal.

but for criticism im not sure a pec wouldnt have the disadvantage of a pair of tits, in the terms of catching blades or directing the blows. plus theyre mostly bronze they were the height of technology for the time, until iron/steel became more popular a couple hundred yeras afterwards (or when ever) then it wouldnt realy matter what shape it was as iron can beat bronze very easily.
Though bronze, being heavier and easily dulled, caused more force trauma.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 09:55:59 PM »
AFAIK, people switched over to iron not because it was superiour but because it was cheaper to get. No need to import tin from far-off places and such.

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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2012, 10:18:14 PM »
AFAIK, people switched over to iron not because it was superiour but because it was cheaper to get. No need to import tin from far-off places and such.
Like Britania, famous for the Roman's ingenuity in tin mining.
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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 12:06:37 AM »
Well, that and iron was a bit lighter for the same level of tensile strength.  Later, when steels got better, it could be thinner yet.

Oh, and no, you can't just magically hack through a breastplate like that with iron or steel.  That is pretty tough stuff, quite hard.  I guess a lot of people here haven't ever seen or touched bronze; it's not soft metal, it was used for swords for quite some time.

Just heavy and probably fairly uncomfortable, as your chest wouldn't have much freedom to move.

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Re: Form Fitting Armour
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 12:11:16 AM »
Well, that and iron was a bit lighter for the same level of tensile strength.  Later, when steels got better, it could be thinner yet.

Oh, and no, you can't just magically hack through a breastplate like that with iron or steel.  That is pretty tough stuff, quite hard.  I guess a lot of people here haven't ever seen or touched bronze; it's not soft metal, it was used for swords for quite some time.

Just heavy and probably fairly uncomfortable, as your chest wouldn't have much freedom to move.

If only they had known about non-newtonian physics. =[
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