Fighting In the Shield-Wall

[OldVeteran]

In Native mod I have told a 100 times to form a shieldwall in siegedefence and battle. Very few times they have listen and done that. But at a time when we where outnumbered we maneaged to win the round because we used a SHIELDWALL on the enterance. So ther is no Shame in standing in formation the real Shame is DYING (early).

I am glad there is a mod that takes shieldwall seriusly and will gladly join Vikingr because of that and that Vikings are my ansestors.

Remember that histroy have won many fights with shieldwalls and are one of the key tackticks on most battels.

Always remain in formation and follow orders.
Spears are best in the 2nd line and first should have been used swords and oneH axes.

I hope this is understandeable.

OldVet

[Hengist]

Very understandable mate. Welcome to Vikingr! 

[Rath0s]

Shield wall work fine in tight spots, but never has it worked properly on an open plain. People dont trust the man beside them and people running off.

[Barabas]

Shield wall work fine in tight spots, but never has it worked properly on an open plain. People dont trust the man beside them and people running off.

Yes people are always running off, they don't understand that their survival chance is much higher if they stay with their team. But it's already a lot better then in native =)
I'm also still surprised by the way cavalry attract people. Somehow they all want to run after it and catch it. It's not like the cavalry doesn't see you coming or anything, and they are a lot faster then you are.... So running after them only makes you and your friends more vulnerable. I'll stop ranting on about it, nobody ever listens anyway ^^

[Úlfr]

Shield wall work fine in tight spots, but never has it worked properly on an open plain. People dont trust the man beside them and people running off.

and pepole that goes behind the shieldwalls slaugthering pepole for cheap kills : P

[Celtichugs]

People dont trust the man beside them and people running off.

and pepole that goes behind the shieldwalls slaugthering pepole for cheap kills : P

This.

[Blackthorn]

People dont trust the man beside them and people running off.

and pepole that goes behind the shieldwalls slaugthering pepole for cheap kills : P

This.

And if the armour is heavily unbalanced, you can just go through.
SWYNFYLKA!

[Dragomir]

Actually slaughtering people behind the shieldwall is what I do all the time in reenactment

That's why every shieldwall should have dedicated flankers - to either backstab, or stop the enemy flankers trying to run around, if the spot is not a narrow corridor when there's no room for flanking.

[Blackthorn]

Or a reserve. There's nothing quite like standing behind the shield-wall in a company of heavies, and then counter-charging just as they pass the shieldwall.

[Slytacular]

In scrims for Native, you don't form shield walls or stand in formation; but it is essential you work together.

[Kawee]

Yeah, I can't imagine formations work very well in the current combat mechanics. There's just too many variables missing that made formations essential in real life medieval combat.

[Phalanx300]

If only there was some sort of colission. Allowing you to push other players in front of you. Maybe even model colission, with shields and spears reacting to objects they hit, not being able to go through walls etc. Though that last thing is probably for a future M&B. And some passive melee protection, so blocking when not holding block button would be nice.

[Dragomir]

so blocking when not holding block button would be nice.

Or fast, short ranged and low damage attacks without releasing your block (barely moving the body, only arm) - that would be pretty realistic actually.

[Wulfstan]

I tottaly support Dragomir - in real shieldwall You are keeping the guy in front of You busy, not fighting him - You should all the time look on enemy on Your left or right, wait for him to reveal and attack. When using normal, uncovering attacks on person in front of You to distract him, You can easly get a spear to the face.

By the way: long, two handed spears and daneaxes should blowback while thrusting. In real shieldwall warrior using a daneaxe dont have shield protection so he is stabbing the guy in shield so he can keep him on distance. I mean just soft pushback or/and stopping the attack, not knock-outing the thrusted guy. As far as I know, stabbing with daneaxe take some damage, and it is a bit ridiculous.

[Úlfr]

so blocking when not holding block button would be nice.

Or fast, short ranged and low damage attacks without releasing your block (barely moving the body, only arm) - that would be pretty realistic actually.

you have my support. hate when i click too late, still holding the shield over my head but evrythings goes straight trough it : [