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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #240 on: June 19, 2012, 09:49:00 AM »
I've tried looking on the internet for old maps of the Netherlands numerous times, but it's not easy to find useful references for the shape of the coastline. I just found this:
http://www.atlasenkaart.nl/nederlands/europa/nederland.php
with a map  that makes the netherlands look like this:
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http://www.atlasenkaart.nl/nederlands/toonkaart.php?kaart=4795

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #241 on: June 19, 2012, 10:40:10 AM »
"Germaansche Zee" sounds weird, if you're a native german speaker. ^^

Good luck to you Fyrningas from my clan, even if I doubt you need it. ;)

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #242 on: June 19, 2012, 05:23:01 PM »
It says Germaansche. But yes, zee-see and meer-meer is always a source of amusion and confusement.  :P

And I really like that map. It is badass. Looks pretty legit too, great find professor!

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #243 on: June 20, 2012, 01:24:59 AM »
Éadríc Eorl of the Fyrnings greets William Duke of Normandy and hopes this finds you well. I would like to let you know that, with God as our witness, we Fyrnings swear that:

i: we stand true to the Angelcyning (that is, the English King) and the Kingly House of the West-Saxons;

ii: we will never acknowledge a Norman as Lord of the English;

iii: we spurn the word of Willelm Hornungsunu (that is, William the Bastard of Normandy) of having ties of any kind to the House of Fyrna;

iiii: if Willelm Hornungsunu and his nest of ducklings hold to this unrightful taking, the spear and the sword and grim strife shall bring it to end.

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #244 on: June 28, 2012, 03:00:42 AM »
So here's the manuscript of Eadric eorl's letter to William the Bastard, as was posted in the Þeodloga event thread:



This being the Fyrning thread, we can get a closer look at it. So brace yourselves.

First, a transcription. Modern punctuation and capitalization have been introduced, abbreviations have been expanded and vowel length has been marked with macrons, but other than that the spelling hasn't been normalized:

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Ēadrīc Fyrninga eorl grēt Willelm Normanna eorl and gehyhteð þæt þū sīe hāl. Nū wille ic þæt sweotule þē gecȳþan, þæt wē Fyrningas on ūre sōðfæstnisse sweriað, God bēo ūre witnes:

I. þæt wē ā bēoð þām Angelcynge holde and getrēowe and þām Westseaxna cynecynne;
II. þæt nǣfre wē nyllað nānne man of Normandige gehȳran, Englum tō wealdan;
III. þæt wē spurnað þīn word, Wyllelm Hornungsunu, þæt þū sīe frēond oððe frēomǣg þæs hēan Hūses Fyrnan;
IIII. þæt gif þū and þīn weorod, Willelm dux, ducum gelīcost, þās ful unrihtan gedyrstignesse ætfēolað, ðonne sceal gār and swurd and grim gefeoht þā geendian.

It is interesting to note that the letter is signed with the runes ear and feoh which spell out Ea. F., or Eadric Fyrninga. This is slightly odd for such a late date (mid 11th century); scholars attribute it to Earl Eadric's being a highly educated man, who was acquainted with the works of Cynewulf and with the Runic Poem. It is also worth noting that the scribe used green ink for these runes, no doubt because green was the traditional colour of the Fyrnings.

This is unlikely to be the actual letter that was sent to William in Kent, but it is apparently a copy made at the same time and kept in the earl's archives. The letter William got was most definitely written in Latin, but no copy of it has survived, although it is referenced in passing by Orderic Vitalis. It is not clear whether an Old English version was sent along with it, but it is almost certain, as its contents were also meant to reach the people of Kent, where William was mustering his supporters. It is also possible that other copies were sent to local authorities to notify them of the decision of the earl.

Whichever way they spread, after the Norman conquest the contents of the letter briefly became quite popular in the area due to its brash defiance and its insulting tone, and a few slightly different versions of it were written down before ca. 1100, of which only fragments survive. The "canonical", scholarly version of the letter was composed out of those fragments in the 19th century; that is the version translated in the above post. The original letter, which was discovered some time later, only differs significantly in the third clause, which explicitly denies William's claims of being "a friend or a kinsman of the High House of Fyrna" rather than talking less specifically about "ties of any kind", and in the beginning of the fourth clause, which can be translated as follows:

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IIII: that if you and your company, William dux, most similar to ducks...

That bit is notable for being one of only two Anglo-Saxon sources where the word duce, the ancestor of "duck", is attested, in a much-celebrated pun involving the Latin (and Norman) term dux.
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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #245 on: June 28, 2012, 10:46:01 AM »
(Great work you guys. Top gear, full throatle immersion and lore right there!)
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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #246 on: June 28, 2012, 12:44:12 PM »
Thou livest up to thy name, Hróða Speechwise! A read most enjoyable as well as educational!

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #247 on: June 28, 2012, 08:50:28 PM »
Thanks, Ualraig and Eadric!

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #248 on: June 28, 2012, 09:12:35 PM »
Most Impressive, cousin. I lift my crown off to you!


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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #249 on: June 29, 2012, 12:05:48 AM »
Thanks, non-cousin!

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #250 on: June 29, 2012, 12:34:24 AM »
Very nice =)

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #251 on: June 29, 2012, 12:37:32 AM »
Yes. It's splendid, Hróða  :)

Gesaga him éac wordum, þæt híe sint wilcuman Deniga léodum

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #252 on: June 29, 2012, 11:02:46 AM »
Thank you very much for your appreciation, folks!

As I mentioned in that other thread, most of the credit goes to Danielle Lily, who created the texture and kindly gave me permission to use it (you don't want to see the early drafts with the textures I created myself). Do check out her art, it's pretty great.

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #253 on: June 30, 2012, 11:56:05 AM »
Lucky for all of us I made a copy of that early draft you showed me, Hróða. Comparing it with the final result is quite entertaining.

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Re: Fyrningas
« Reply #254 on: July 02, 2012, 01:08:05 AM »
Thank you very much for your appreciation, folks!

As I mentioned in that other thread, most of the credit goes to Danielle Lily, who created the texture and kindly gave me permission to use it (you don't want to see the early drafts with the textures I created myself). Do check out her art, it's pretty great.

Is she pretty? Can I have her?