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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #180 on: October 10, 2011, 03:06:33 PM »
ye sure
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« Reply #181 on: October 10, 2011, 03:47:39 PM »
Fourakis is a crackpot for heaven's sake.
I've read every single book he wrote. He gradually slided from anti-semitism to ancient superweapons.

Don't get me wrong- i am as patriotic as they come, but Fourakis, Liakopoulos and all that clique are not to be taken seriously.

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« Reply #182 on: October 10, 2011, 04:39:20 PM »
Fourakis is a crackpot for heaven's sake.
I've read every single book he wrote. He gradually slided from anti-semitism to ancient superweapons.

Don't get me wrong- i am as patriotic as they come, but Fourakis, Liakopoulos and all that clique are not to be taken seriously.
Lol Bardikos too.

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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #183 on: October 10, 2011, 04:42:35 PM »
he is dead...
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« Reply #184 on: October 10, 2011, 04:53:55 PM »
Lol Bardikos too.

Who he? Α search in γκούγκλε only came up with a congressman.

he is dead...

...i didn't know...

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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #185 on: October 10, 2011, 05:19:46 PM »
Lol Bardikos too.

Who he? Α search in γκούγκλε only came up with a congressman.

he is dead...

...i didn't know...

i dont know him too who is he?
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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #186 on: October 10, 2011, 11:57:41 PM »
This is how Turks perceive Europe as..  They see the Greeks as "step brothers" and call them Ionian (Yunan)

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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #187 on: October 11, 2011, 12:03:58 AM »
More like annoying stepson/cousin, since you guys interbred ect.
Or actual brothers or brother/sons.

That thought is creepy...
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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #188 on: October 11, 2011, 12:36:03 AM »
We never interbred.

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Re: Greek and turkish relations.
« Reply #189 on: October 11, 2011, 12:39:01 AM »
Jesus can turn jelly into fermented jelly too.

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« Reply #190 on: October 11, 2011, 12:58:10 AM »
Actually no. On an individual basis sure, but not on a mass scale. Poltical control of territory almost never implies inbreeding.  For "ethnic groups" to mix there has to be a movement of peoples that permantly settle among the locals. In Greece Turkish settlers did arrive, not on a mass scale though, and they didn't settle among the locals. The communities remained seperated even as late as the early 20th century. Religious differences being the most important factor. One can not say the same for the Slavs, that mass migrated during the 7th century reaching the Peloponeese. They settled among the locals and got tottaly assimilated in 1-2 centuries. Same with the orthodox Albanians, the Arvanites, that settled in Attica in the 16th century. They got assimilated pretty fast.
Again the same with the orthodox Vlachs, a branch of the Rommanians.

But with the Muslim Turks, no.  We did pick up many habits from the prevailent Ottoman culture, though and vice versa.

In your thinking then Brittain and France were half-Roman when the Germans migrated.

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« Reply #191 on: October 11, 2011, 01:02:31 AM »
That's why greeks look so much like Turks nowadays, it's because in hundreds of years of constant settling they never interbred at all.


In your thinking then Brittain and France were half-Roman when the Germans migrated.

But they were. Not Britain because the romans abandoned the island.
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« Reply #192 on: October 11, 2011, 01:15:27 AM »
We look the same as the Arabs and Jews, what does that mean?
You fail to see the point. The Muslims were considered a superior class in the Ottoman Empire. Oh, interbreeding did take place, but the wifes(for obvious reasons Christian males never married Muslim females), were taken in as Muslims.

And believe me, its not nationalism talking here. There was never an ethnic mix with the Turks.

Dudes, the Turks are CENTRAL ASIAN. The Turks you see today are mostly Turkified Greeks, Arabs, Cappadocians etc etc.

Central Asian characteristics are still evident in many Turks.

About France and Britain. No they were not. The Romans abandoned the island in 410 AD. Thats about hen the Germans came. How many generations of Britons managed to grow up in the 10 year interlude?

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« Reply #193 on: October 11, 2011, 01:44:54 AM »
Hm, yes, France was largely romanized, that's why French is mostly a romance language with insignificant amount (it's on the hundredss) of celtic words. Britain was never largely colonized and populated like Hispania and Gaul were.
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« Reply #194 on: October 11, 2011, 02:10:12 AM »
Colonized yes, but colonized to the point that they changed the ethnic group characteristics? It would entail carrrying half of Italy to Gaul. IIRC it was mostly civil servants and administrators. Gradually France did become heavily Romanized, culturally though, not racially. Hence their language. Latin was the norm when the Germanic migration came.

ah the Germanic migration. Excellent example. Despite the fact that large populations of Germanic foreigners settled in France in the 4th-5th century, modern Frenchmen do look different from modern Germans.

I am telling you folks its not that easy to racially change an ethnic group. I am not saying foreign elements have not been mixed in every nation, i am saying that they were assimilated after a couple of generations. It requirres movements of whole populations into an area, displacing the locals, for a racial change to take place. And in the case of Christian populations in the Ottoman Empire, well since a population exchange took place in 1923 entailing more than 2.000.000 people, little if any inbreeding had taken place. The two communities were living apart.