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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #75 on: September 03, 2011, 04:35:57 PM »
i dont think faction domination has to do with troop balancing or even army size. from what i see its just that fierdsvain marshal seems to have a much easiert time gathering other lords and make them follow... i dont know how or why or even if thats the reason in other peoples games, it is in mine though...

when fierdis go to war they do it for real, it is very hard to find a single lord not following the marshal O_o whereas especially ravenstern lords sem to be exceptionally stupid and individualistic. second worst seem to be the d'shar ones, but i dont have too much experience to judge that, only fierdis always behave the same for me

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2011, 04:41:29 PM »
Well, sarleons centralized location almost always keeps them in war, so their lords are more restless etc. and won't follow marshals. Ravenstern for example, on the other hand, has only one front, and one bumrush front where they can fight at so their lords are quite happy.

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2011, 06:36:58 PM »
Kingdom of Sarleon is same with Swadia . Except for one thing , THEY SUCK .. NOt only their starting position sucks , their troops fail too. FOr Longbowman , the d,shar will finish them real quick . If halbierd , Huscarls and Legionaries or even the low armor ( gladiator , berserker) can massacre them . Knights is even easier , a ravenstern or empire ranged line will pwn them.

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #78 on: September 03, 2011, 06:47:47 PM »
which is true for every army set up?!

correct me if im wrong but there are very efective ways to crush through a ravenstern ranged lineup, same with legionaires and huscarls...
i admit though, sarleon arent as specialized as others seem to be. but they are brutal in sieges though... i find sieges the easiest with sarleon troops, whereas with ravensterns i get torn apart ;/

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2011, 06:54:32 PM »
which is true for every army set up?!

correct me if im wrong but there are very efective ways to crush through a ravenstern ranged lineup, same with legionaires and huscarls...
i admit though, sarleon arent as specialized as others seem to be. but they are brutal in sieges though... i find sieges the easiest with sarleon troops, whereas with ravensterns i get torn apart ;/

OMG... either u didnt understand my post or i didnt understand what am i typing . I Meant dealing with specific types of troops , not the whole bloody army

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2011, 06:56:13 PM »
it seems i misunderstood indeed. but then i fail to see the point of your statement. its highly unlikely one would have an army with only one type of soldier in it? or did i misunderstand again?

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2011, 06:59:49 PM »
it seems i misunderstood indeed. but then i fail to see the point of your statement. its highly unlikely one would have an army with only one type of soldier in it? or did i misunderstand again?

WEll , i guess it is my fault for not making it clear . SORRY. i just meant suitable against troops in seperate. Not fighting army to army. Comparing troop to troop. Fjoelsvider , im really sorry  :(

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2011, 08:28:17 PM »
They are great for garrisons though, dirt cheap and effective!

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2011, 08:30:08 PM »
ulric lost all his vassals and now he declared war on fierdsvain and hes fighting on his own oO
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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2011, 09:03:38 PM »
ulric lost all his vassals and now he declared war on fierdsvain and hes fighting on his own oO
Bloody madman...

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2011, 09:08:12 PM »
ulric lost all his vassals and now he declared war on fierdsvain and hes fighting on his own oO
Bloody madman...
hes just a crazy old man  :mrgreen:
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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2011, 09:22:02 PM »
Axe, you asked for it!  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
You are truly evil.  8-)

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2011, 09:29:24 PM »
I've been fighting hard for Sarleon since going over to them from Ravernstern around day 100. The Fierds were hammering both kingdoms hard (took Ravernstern town in the first two weeks!) and I wanted to keep fighting them more than anything. I managed to reclaim Avendor and gain it as my own fief, which helped secure the Marshallship for myself. I don't know how the Sarleon lords behaved with an NPC marshall, but I can get most of them (those that aren't already exiled by King Ulric the Expeller) to follow me.

The biggest weakness I've found in Sarleon is their army sizes and composition. The King routinely fields an army above 250 men, which is good and makes the prospect of dethroning him a tough choice. There are maybe two other lords who field armies above 150 men, the rest range from 30 to 100. This itself isn't so bad except that Sarleon seems to get absolutely zero elite mobs.. Among the Fierdsvain it was not uncommon to see Jarls with 30 Beserkers or 20 Omen Seekers, god help me. The Empire has at least two lords who come with 40 Guardian Knights which can just shatter the Sarleon army if enough of them deploy into a battle. Others come with 50 Armored Crossbowmen or two dozen gladiators. I've never seen a Sarleon Lord with equivalent number of top-tier troops. Even King Ulric only brings about 20 Knights of the Lion, tops, with him.

Bottom line is that the Sarleon armies are just too small. They routinely field individually smaller armies each consisting of subpar troops, a lethal combination. The only times I feel really confident is when I'm able to bring 4 or 5 Sarleon lords to bear on an individual Empire Lord, and even that gets messy if he happens to be packing an Elite Mob.

On the plus side, Sarleon has Lady Irina who is my favorite of the ladies so far. Too bad her father got himself exiled two days after I joined the faction.

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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2011, 09:36:33 PM »
I think the main failure is the single tiered trees, so their highest unit is a very specialized one (halberdiers). It should have the option of going halberdiers or another heavily armored shield infantry maybe. (Huscarls with morningstars?  :twisted:)

Maybe something like at armored footmen you can choose to go halberdier or man-at-arms, then man-at-arms goes to whatever the next shield infantry would be (armored man-at-arms for lack of creativity!). Kinda like how the fierdsvain have a branch kind of mid infantry tree.
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Re: The Kingdom of FAILeon
« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2011, 09:40:05 PM »
About the Sarleon armies not being very large-that is likely due to the stress of war. If they were given a break for a few weeks/months, you'd see their troops rise to numbers that are equal to the other factions.

Honestly, in the past 6 games I've created the past weeks, literally five of them had a very strong Sarleon. Not quite as strong as the green horde, but usually with 3-4 castles taken from the D'shar/Empire and either Singal or Ethos.

I've been wondering if they got a buff actually.