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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #630 on: April 20, 2012, 06:33:02 PM »

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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #631 on: May 10, 2012, 01:50:13 PM »
Yesterday, believe it or not, I have watched the film Gladiator (2000) for the first time in my life.
For 12 years, many of my friends and colegues were saying to me: ''You like books, films and games abot Medieval and Classical Ancient history - then you must watch Gladiator, it's the best, it's amazing, it's fantastic...'' and similar things.
I didn't really had a reason for not seing it in 12 years, since it was released - I just didn't have a chance to watch it.
Funny thing. I watched all sort of crap, known and unknown (I even watched Citizen Kane recently to see why is it called ''one of the greatest''), but somehow I always missed to watch the Gladiator.
I finally wanted to see it last year, but then I saw another Ridley Scott's epic - the Kingdom of Heaven - and I was dissapointed, so that may be the case why I again passed on the Gladiator, until now.
So, I got a hold of Director's Cut. Saw it, and it was... OK.
It's weird actually, there was a massive amount of things that bugged me in this film, I even facepalmed myself once.
So many things that I didn't like, yet somehow, I couldn't dislike this film, in the end.
I'm a sucker for classical good vs. evil stories. Here we had our hero, and our villain. And although our hero died, he was victorious.
And the film was visually beautiful.
So yes, after all that hype, a solid OK from me, maybe even a ''rating'' of GOOD.
Although I haven't actually named any of the massive amount of things that bugged me, I will only do that if a die-hard fan of Gladiator responds to this post.
In the end, I enjoyed it, but I don't really know why that film has so much of a cult following.
It's certainly not a masterpiece in my book.

I wanted to give it either 6/10 or 7/10 on the IMDB, but I settled on 7, for entertainment value.

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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #632 on: May 11, 2012, 01:07:06 AM »
I have never liked Gladiator that much. And since people seem to adore it, I came to hate it a bit more every time someone said or wrote it was a great film.

It's not. The characters are bland and boring, the story is the same story as always, told a million times, and the historical ambientation sucks balls.

It's very simple, and at some points it bored me. Even the first time. Of course, Kingdom of Heaven is also boring, also bland and also badly ambientated, but at least in the director's cut the characters are given more depth, the ambientation is better and there's this mystical, magical backyard that I always enjoy, even if it's absurd and it's just shallow mysticism.

But Gladiator is incredibly overrated. Just because it has cool battles and nice pitfights doesn't mean it's a good film.

I'll rant about another one: Spartacus. Yes, the new 300-like series.

The characters are BORING. And I don't use caps lightly. BORING. The plot, erratic; the "conspiracies", absurd; the ambientation, terrible; the narrative... well, it's not flowing naturally. Either we're five episodes at the same place, or tens of things happen at the same time. Even the battles are lame and ridiculous. This guys are going to battle without any kind of armour or even leather protection, just for the sake of showing off abds and biceps and look cool? And they are slashing through chainmail and plate armour? No shit these gladiators are defeating the Romans being only 50, theuy're damn Supermen!

You can tell they are making up conflict just to leave it there in case they do another season, they're making it all along the way. The characters are so boring and bland that I don't give a damn of what happens to them. Half a season looking for some guy's girl and the main plot frozen only to realise I never knew she was taken in the first place, and that I really didn't care.

Which brings me to another thing: popular rating in series and movies. In my country we use this magnificent Argentinian website called Cuevana.com to see streaming movies without time limit in original sound (usually, English). There, people can rate the episodes and the films.

Some people have good criteria. Most of them don't. Besides rating low a movie just because the pluig-in didn't work (it wasn't the movie's fault in the first place), they just go and rate everything five stars. The most lousy film, the worst episode, five stars. Spartacus has a good rating because many people don't care about anything, they go for the gore, swallow everything they are given even if it's the most absurd, shallow and cliché show ever, and rate it five stars.

It doesn't say much of "the people" in general.

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For example: people are eager for new truths and revelations. When they watch a documentary about conspiracies and hidden stuff, they go bananas and start feeling like they belong to an elite of people who know (now) how the world really works, and morover, they have someone to blame for all troubles in the world.

Let's check this famous documentary, Zeitgeist:

http://www.cuevana.tv/#!/peliculas/3124/zeitgeist-moving-forward

It's all bullshit, from the first word to the last. Half truths, well chosen words and complete shameless lies. And still, some people will defend it to the death because it's what makes them feel special, and since they don't have much criteria, they trust the data and the facts explained in the video are true. they don't know about economy, they never met anyone with power or fortune. They don't know how the world works. I don't know either, but neither do these guys who "run the big scheme and try to enslave us all".

I, for one, love conspiracies, I love them. But I know most conspiracies don't work because people usually talk too much and make too many mistakes. I like that, it's how I know the US government is not hiding aliens in the Area 51. Governments are not made of unbreakable, godly-willed people who would die for the cause, it's made of people like all of us. People who like to impress the friends and who tell many things to couples and parents. So many Wikileaks cables and leaks, and damn, still nothing on secret 11-S inside job evidences, or alien-related stuff...

I'm not saying it can't be. But it is highly, highly unlikely.

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Sorry, that's considerably longer than I planned, but it's written now, so I'll leave it as it is. Back to historical films:


There's even another thing from historical films that drives me mad.

TROUSERS. TROUSERS EVERYWHERE.

Gauls used trousers; hosemen used trousers, and not always, but then they started to use culottes, until the XVIIth Century. But in Hollywood, everyone wears goddamn trousers.
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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #633 on: May 12, 2012, 09:27:26 AM »
I first saw Gladiator when it was released in the cinemas (my mother still worked there, so it was free) and I quite liked it. Of course, I was still a kid then and had next to no knowledge of history (especially Roman one), so that was certainly a plus. When I look at it now, I think that as a movie it's good, as a historical movie not so good (just so I don't say it's quite bad), but what makes it "great" for me is the one thing that's always very important in the making of a great movie for me - music. Gladiator's soundtrack is certainly quite good (Hans Zimmer is, after all, one of the big names in his genre) and recognizable and that's an absolute requirement for the success of a "great movie", IMO. I mean, just try imagining Gladiator, or better yet - The Lord of the Rings, with some other, bland music! For a movie to gain a "greatness" status, you absolutely need great music, even if the movie isn't "the greatest ever". And that's the strongest part of Gladiator, IMO, and one of the main reasons why it's so popular (note that popularity is often taken for "greatness"). Besides the general appeal of watching some fighting in an arena, of course.

It doesn't say much of "the people" in general.
"In general" being the key phrase here (at least in my opinion). There was an interesting BBC documentary that I watched two winters ago, which is called "The century of the self". It deals with the development of the consumerist thinking in the last century and the first episode included one of the first steps in that direction, by a nephew of Sigmund Freud who realised how easily manipulatable people are, especially in groups. Basically, the bigger the mob, the dumber its members act. So there's no wonder that when we talk about people as a whole, we're all rather hopeless. And, yeah, I'm rather a pessimist for the future of humanity, though there's still some hope left in me nevertheless...

I, for one, love conspiracies, I love them. But I know most conspiracies don't work because people usually talk too much and make too many mistakes.
I like conspiracies too. Unfortunately (or rather - fortunately), when I hear/read the most far-fetched of them, I always keep thinking "Ok, so you've got this super-secret knowledge, which you've somehow got from the grasp of this world-controlling elite, and yet you walk around freely, distributing your message, undermining the foundations of that elite and they can't even arrange a suitable "accident" to happen to you?! Yeah, right, I sure am scared by them now, you've convinced me..."


Edit: Btw, look what I just found, as "a celebration" of a sort for the next patch (make sure to press the CC for the English subs)! ;)
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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #634 on: May 13, 2012, 08:23:04 AM »
"I'll kill them all! All of them!" xD

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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #635 on: May 13, 2012, 11:42:51 AM »
I have never liked Gladiator that much. And since people seem to adore it, I came to hate it a bit more every time someone said or wrote it was a great film.
It's not. The characters are bland and boring, the story is the same story as always, told a million times, and the historical ambientation sucks balls.
It's very simple, and at some points it bored me. Even the first time. Of course, Kingdom of Heaven is also boring, also bland and also badly ambientated, but at least in the director's cut the characters are given more depth, the ambientation is better and there's this mystical, magical backyard that I always enjoy, even if it's absurd and it's just shallow mysticism.
But Gladiator is incredibly overrated. Just because it has cool battles and nice pitfights doesn't mean it's a good film.
Aside from many nitpicking elements I didn't like, I believe that the main problem lies in the scale of the story.
Are we supposed to believe that a Roman general, who was thought dead, returned as a gladiator and got his revenge in 1 on 1 combat with the EMPEROR OF ROME!? And further giving us (viewers) a ''hope'' that Rome would be a republic again, after the events of the movie, because it was Maximus' last wish?
Yea, right!  :roll:
They could have made for Russel Crowe's nemesis to be a Roman general or some other high-ranking Roman noble, so that he fights him in the arena, and gets his revenge or something. It would have been more beliveable. Yes, I know Commodus was an emperor-gladiator, but how he was put in the story pisses me of.
I said in my previous post that I like a simple story good vs. evil, but having historical figures who may have not been so ''evil'' and making them cartoon villains is silly.
And nothing of that wouldn't bother me so much if Ridley Scott always markets his films as ''incredibly historically accurate''.
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I'll rant about another one: Spartacus. Yes, the new 300-like series.
The characters are BORING. And I don't use caps lightly. BORING. The plot, erratic; the "conspiracies", absurd; the ambientation, terrible; the narrative... well, it's not flowing naturally. Either we're five episodes at the same place, or tens of things happen at the same time. Even the battles are lame and ridiculous. This guys are going to battle without any kind of armour or even leather protection, just for the sake of showing off abds and biceps and look cool? And they are slashing through chainmail and plate armour? No shit these gladiators are defeating the Romans being only 50, theuy're damn Supermen!
You can tell they are making up conflict just to leave it there in case they do another season, they're making it all along the way. The characters are so boring and bland that I don't give a damn of what happens to them. Half a season looking for some guy's girl and the main plot frozen only to realise I never knew she was taken in the first place, and that I really didn't care.
I only watched the first 2 episodes - and than I stopped, for various reasons, some of which you already covered.
I mean, our ''hero'' kills a guy in battle and yells: ''FU*K YEAH!!!''.
Really? ''Fu*k yeah!''? Wow, let's americanise the ancient people, shall we? :x
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There's even another thing from historical films that drives me mad.
TROUSERS. TROUSERS EVERYWHERE.
Gauls used trousers; hosemen used trousers, and not always, but then they started to use culottes, until the XVIIth Century. But in Hollywood, everyone wears goddamn trousers.
And what about the helmets? Or better yet, the lack of helmets?
In 80% of the films concerning the ancient warfare, our heroes refuse to wear head protection - arguably the most important piece of armour.
If you get hit in the arms, body, or feet, you have a larger chance to survive than being struck in the head.
So why don't they wear helmets? Because we wouldn't see the pretty faces of the actors, that's why. :roll:
Even when the actors wear a helmet, they usually loose it early in the battle...
Actually, the helmets are not the only thing bothering me - I hate the battle cliches.
- Strong and independent female warriors
- Ballet-like swordfighting (which looks nice, but is clearly coreographed)
- Fighting without a shield (when using a one-handed weapon)
- Lack of armour/body protection to make our hero look cool
- Ability of 1 man to tirelessly slay ''hundreds'' of enemies
- Ability of 1 man to kill off several or more opponents, because his opponents do not charge on him together, but attack him one by one
- Having children fight like adults
- Many more...

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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #636 on: May 15, 2012, 11:57:32 AM »
"I'll kill them all! All of them!" xD
Yeah, it was kinda funny how the Roman-slayer, a second Krum in dreadfulness (and probably even more hated by the Byzantines), almost whines like a baby there. The crusaders are also kinda funny - they remind me a bit of the ones from the old Alexander Nevsky movie, the Soviet one.


Edit: Btw, I see Khan Asparuh's (that 1981 movie with the huge Byzantine army) been uploaded as well: 1 - Phanagoria, 2 - The migration and 3 - A land forever.
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Re: Maremagnum
« Reply #637 on: May 16, 2012, 08:02:45 PM »
As this is an off-topic I may dare:

Ludogorets FC has just won the Bulgarian Cup! Best wishes for my native football team!

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« Reply #638 on: May 24, 2012, 07:18:03 AM »
Dear goodness, I didn't even know which town Ludogorets is from (heck, I don't think I had even heard of it; btw, weren't you from Varna?). And now they not only rocketed from B group straight to the top of A group, but they even won the cup and yesterday the championship! Congrats! Can't wait to see "Ludogorets took the CL cup" in the news! ;)

Oh, and happy 24th of May, Day of the Bulgarian education and culture and Slavic literature!
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« Reply #639 on: June 01, 2012, 01:42:54 PM »
A question for NikeBG or Komnenos (or maybe someone else who knows):
This is the image from Osprey's ''Hungary, and the Fall of Eastern Europe'':
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As you can see, it shows a Serbian Knight, a Serbian Auxillary, and a Bulgarian Auxillary (scouting for enviroment, because he clearly wishes to steal the Serb's horse).
I wanna know:
1. Is the long sleeve on Bulgarian Auxillary historical?
2. If it is historical, then what is the purpose of that sleeve?
3. Why is Bulgarian represented as a blond man, thus deviating from the stereotype of Bulgarians being dark-haired and tanned? :wink:
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« Reply #640 on: June 01, 2012, 06:43:37 PM »
1. I've heard it is, but can't give a definite answer myself.
2. I don't remember the explanation of the guy who posted about it.
3. Actually, he looks more like red-haired/-bearded to me. :P
4. The Serbian auxilia is, btw, also Bulgarian. :P
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« Reply #641 on: June 16, 2012, 01:09:40 PM »
Haven't you already posted it before? I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, seems very familiar...
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« Reply #642 on: June 16, 2012, 03:12:30 PM »
No, I haven't.
But I will delete that thread, since the people didn't got what I was saying, anyway and started saying I was a nationalist.  :P

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« Reply #643 on: June 16, 2012, 08:58:33 PM »
Bah, just when it was getting interesting... :P
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« Reply #644 on: June 17, 2012, 10:08:56 AM »
"I'll kill them all! All of them!" xD
Yeah, it was kinda funny how the Roman-slayer, a second Krum in dreadfulness (and probably even more hated by the Byzantines), almost whines like a baby there. The crusaders are also kinda funny - they remind me a bit of the ones from the old Alexander Nevsky movie, the Soviet one.


Edit: Btw, I see Khan Asparuh's (that 1981 movie with the huge Byzantine army) been uploaded as well: 1 - Phanagoria, 2 - The migration and 3 - A land forever.

I have never seen Khan Asparuh entirely (only to see that huge Byzantine army that blows my mind), and let's face it, these films about kings and wars are usually not really interesting story-wise. They don't properly introduce characters and it's usually just the king doing stuff and fighting wars you actually don't care about.

Instead of making it a bit more Kingdom of Heaven-ish (without its huge flaws), with court intrige, interests and conflict outside the king.

That's why I really enjoyed the Romanian film Mircea. Also from those Soviet times where the military budget was spent in making nationalist movies with a buttload of soldiers. Ask Sergei Bondachuk xD

Anyway, Mircea is a really interesting movie that properly introduces and portrays different characters, has a strong and dramatic main character, Mircea the Great, and has a good pace. Little Vlad (the famous one) getting lost and doing his stuff around, old Mircea trying to teach him the good ways of government and sorting the conspiracies...

The only problem is that, in the end, the film is about how Mircea and Vlad (who's like 10 or 12 years old) fight the anti-Romanian nobility who want to sell themselves to the Turks. However, moments of des-manichaeism appear when Mircea is shown to be an old friend of the Turkish ambassador, or when his relation with the former sultan turns out to be a good one (but the new sultan is an ass).

Anyway, interesting film. I found it thanks to Kaloyan xD

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