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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2011, 03:01:35 AM »
Noble only has two players signed up for the campaign.

Noble are you guys watching this thread? What's going on?

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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2011, 05:09:29 AM »
they constantly troll, change their in game names to confuse people, personally single out and attack people (someone has been personally and irl attacked to the point that they didn't want to be around the community at all).

from wikipedia: 'In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.'

now you can't say that KEEN are doing this on the forums and in game, and you definitely can't say that they do it constantly. i don't think they change their names to confuse people, why would that be the case? that is a big assumption you've made there. it's more to do with referencing things that are funny, and making eachother laugh with the name/face combinations, and i've seen some KoS have a go at it as well, as well as another guy, mongolian_llama_farmer (nice try but eh....... lol). now why would they personally single out and attack people? i know for a fact they don't do it for no reason. and barely ever at that. most of these allegations come from a time where this sort of thing was back and forth. i'm sure if you refrain from saying they troll constantly, and make other assumptions as to why they make new characters or 'aliases' as you call them, then you'll definitely get along.


Not only that, they do intentionally skill stack when there is no tracking of players, there has been many instances where we (KoS) has agreed to a scrim with other clans, only to find out at the match that they are bringing most of KEEN with them. That isn't clans scrimming other clans, that is KEEN muscling in on matches when they can so they can dominate. And up to this point, KoS has obliged them and fought despite what happens.

what? so you mean (under the oceanic campaign rules this was called 'mercing') when a clan needed mercs and they choose KEEN, that it's skill stacking? you're damn right it is. and i don't believe it's right to say that they 'muscle in' on matches just to dominate, you'll find that most of those times the clans that needed mercs went to KEEN and asked them, not the other way around. that is why i find the idea of mercing a bit dumb. i've never seen it in any other game, and this shouldn't be any different. if a clan only has 8 members and has to play in a 10v10, then make it 8v8. what you've said is very similar to me saying 'papa_lazarou always likes to muscle in on SPLH matches so he can dominate' which clearly isn't true either. lol.

It is part of the reason ACC1's campaign has mandatory GUID registering to play, so that we don't have people who aren't who they say they are turning up.

i think by now that shouldn't be a problem. especially if we don't have 'mercs' or people from other clans/pub playing in a scrim. and i agree with roman, let's forget the campaign and focus on the tournament.


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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2011, 05:14:47 AM »
So why do you think they're widely disliked then, if it's not because they act like wankers?

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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2011, 05:23:19 AM »
well take a look at some of scorch's reasons above.

"i don't like KEEN because they make characters to confuse people" - assumption
"i don't like KEEN because they muscle in on scrims just to dominate" - another assumption
"i don't like KEEN because they constantly troll" - an even bigger assumption, it's said so much that it's just become accepted as truth. and why wouldn't people believe it, when people are believing the above assumptions as well?

and as a result of these assumptions, you get scorch pointing them out on the forums (on more than one occasion), you get aleczacool making an essay about KEEN and what he thinks of them (most of which was wrong, just like these above assumptions, well - if not the same assumptions), and you get the kids on mumble who hear what's said about KEEN and decide to believe it, then calling them trolls in game (and sometimes teamhitting them when there's no admin on). all of which is a shame, and i think everyone is guilty of some kind of wrongdoing at the end of the day, so why this back and forth 'you did this' and 'but you did that'?


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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2011, 05:44:04 AM »
... and i think everyone is guilty of some kind of wrongdoing at the end of the day, so why this back and forth 'you did this' and 'but you did that'?
Everyone, eh? What wrongdoing is KEEN guilty of?

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« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2011, 05:46:42 AM »
from wikipedia: 'In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.'

Errr, mate, you might want to read that again. I don't know how long you've been around, but that's exactly what they do.
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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2011, 06:01:15 AM »
they freeze/kick people on their own server?! that's awful! lol. do you even know why he was frozen/kicked?

and lol, all of this from the same thread:

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I have been on this server before. He seemed like a decent enough chap, helped me practice my manual blocking.
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I have to say he can be very funny.
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The John's / Jean's / George Michael club threads were awesome and never failed to bring a smile to my face.
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You would've lost to him anyway.

and this video makes me laugh so much - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSkch_T1sNo
- RomaN_au

i think maybe you've picked the wrong thread to use as an example of KEEN's constant trolling? lol. but definitely a good example of a thread displaying someone's anger over being frozen/kicked/whatever else happened. and from what these guys above have said, maybe they're not so bad after all?


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« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2011, 06:40:52 AM »
Excellent selective reading there. Now, why don't you go back and read the whole thing? :wink:
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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2011, 07:24:11 AM »
now why don't you go back, have a second read and tell me how freezing/kicking someone is constant trolling?


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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2011, 07:30:22 AM »
Why don't you just stop being an absolute cock for a bit and just accept the collective opinion that KEEN can be absolute jackasses sometimes.
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Re: {} Australia & New Zealand Multiplayer Community Thread {}
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2011, 07:38:25 AM »
now why don't you go back, have a second read and tell me how freezing/kicking someone is constant trolling?

Honestly, mate, you're coming across like some neo-con Japanese/German fuckwit who's insisting they never did shit in WW2.

I'm not going to quote little bits here and there to support my argument because certain people here have voiced their discontentment with that practice (and I can't be arsed to quote from a locked thread), so I'm just going to tell you to stop bullshitting and give that thread a thorough read.

EDIT: Apparently Jap is considered to be a derogatory term outside Singapore and Hong Kong.
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« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2011, 07:45:07 AM »
Yeah, I was asking what you think the real reasons are. If those are all illusions, why is KEEN the most hated of all the clans?

In fact with minor rephrasing, most of those are pretty fair. Behold:

"i don't like KEEN because they make characters to which confuse people"
"i don't like KEEN because they muscle in on scrims just to end up in all the scrims and dominate"
"i don't like KEEN because they constantly troll often engage in massively disruptive antics while slinging abuse"

All of these are fair enough to an extent, but KEEN have basically made them trademarks. When a KEEN player joins the server you can pretty much guess where things will end up (stacked teams, frequent abuse, disruptive antics, etc.).

But anyway, why do you think they're disliked, if all those reasons are made up?

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« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2011, 08:02:53 AM »
well that's what people who dislike KEEN believe to be true and thus that's how they portray KEEN.

i can't help it if they dislike KEEN for:
- making characters (how is that bad)
- adjoining clans in scrims (the last time that happened was months ago)
- disruptive antics (like what)/abuse slinging (everyone slings abuse from time to time)

it's a shame people dislike them for these reasons, seeing as they're mostly trivial and most people (not just KEEN) are guilty of them. i'm sure they would rather be friends with you than enemies to be honest.


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« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2011, 11:00:30 AM »
Yah, so why are they hated? Bad luck? You're saying all the reasons are wrong, but you're not providing any alternatives.

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« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2011, 11:07:43 AM »
that's why they're hated (really? people hate them), because that's what they believe to be true.