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Who has the Weakest Faction?

Swadians
39 (6.1%)
Vaegirs
51 (8%)
Khergits
98 (15.3%)
Nords
27 (4.2%)
Rhodoks
67 (10.5%)
Sarranids
157 (24.5%)
Antarians
16 (2.5%)
Marinas
34 (5.3%)
Adenians
32 (5%)
Villianese
58 (9.1%)
Zerrikanian
61 (9.5%)

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Who has the Weakest Faction?
« on: February 25, 2011, 09:45:07 PM »
Who has the Weakest Faction? I want to know what you all think. You get 2 votes on this one.


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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 09:51:53 PM »
Only voted for Sarranids, as I have not fought against anyone else yet. Me and my Marianian comrades are kicking their respective arses.

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 09:57:18 PM »
Only voted for Sarranids, as I have not fought against anyone else yet. Me and my Marianian comrades are kicking their respective arses.
Nice...  8-)


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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 09:58:35 PM »
I voted Sarranids, they just seem easy to defeat once you know what their tactics are.

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 10:03:39 PM »
Their tactics being advance in a line until you get close to the Dragonslayer, after which you rout almost instantly? :P

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 11:25:33 PM »
Well, I'll aim my sights to the vaegirs, their infantry MIGHT have super resistant armor, but hell, i can kill them with a pitchfork.
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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 11:55:47 PM »
I voted swadians just got the mod today and already ive kicked some lord of a castle to the curb and now im occuping his castle with my zerrikaniian troops and its only day 5....

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2011, 12:14:43 AM »
Swadians of course. Their cavalry ain't worth a dime if their lords can't drag their asses out of dining halls.
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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 10:51:29 AM »
I voted for the Villanese, their like Nerds in real life who dont dare to kick someone's ass.


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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2011, 12:18:39 PM »
Guys, faction behavior can change from game-to-game. I think Computica asks which faction is the weakest in actual battle. Given the opportunity, any faction can defeat any other, a victory or two doesn't necessarily mean a faction is weak, it only proves the Player's competence or the AI's incompetence. It takes a lengthy war to determine which faction is good/bad vs. this and that.

As things are now, I'd say the Rhodoks and the Sarranids are weakest. Some other factions could use an update as well (Khergits could use better-equipped top-level troops, Nords could have one more rank of archer, etc) but these aren't so significant.

Rhodoks: their melee troops barely have any notable armor until the highest tiers, which is simply laughable. Their shields are okay when they fight against ranged troops and such, but aren't much help against axes and most two-handed weapons. Also their spears may be adequate versus cavalry, but they are at a disadvantage against short-reach weapons (spears suck when you can't keep a proper distance). Rhodoks could also have some light cavalry. The crossbowmen line troops are okay. Give the Rhodok melee troops slightly more armor and maybe 1-2 tiers of light cavalry armed with light crossbows and spears/maces.

Sarranids: their Archers/Master Archers are okay, and the Mamluks are cool (on-par with Swadian Knights), the Guards do fine as well (though they could be slightly improved if you ask me). But the rest of them suck. Vaegirs, Swadians and Nords all have notably better armors on lower tiers. Also, their basic ranged unit (Skirmisher) starts with javelins, and sometimes no helm or shield ?! Their Horsemen are quite fragile as well for their level. Again, give lower tier units slightly more armor value, a tweak unit equipment here and there (Skirmisher and Horsemen).
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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2011, 02:01:05 PM »
Then again, Jarids and Javelins are deadly against armoured foes. They hurt like hell. :lol:

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2011, 02:06:48 PM »
Yeah, I agree on that, but the Sarranid Skirmisher is a complete wimp compared to the Antarian Javelinmen (who have shields and can actually protect themselves in melee to some degree) and the Nord troops (even low-level troops have nice armor, shields and are tough in close quarters). Consider that these troop types are all on roughly the same tier... giving bows to the Sarranid Skirmisher would make things more even; arrows do more harm than javelins, cos' they are fired faster and the ammo doesn't run out after 4-6 shots.
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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2011, 02:33:00 PM »
Guys, faction behavior can change from game-to-game.

Sometimes Swadians can even get something done by a flash of luck, but they're still fat and lazy. Don't know if it's coded deep in the game but it hardly changes.

Troop wise, Khergits are terrible at sieges. I cut them down singing "I'm too sexy" and wondering what's for dinner, 'cause there's nothing to be afraid of. If you manage to avoid field battles, conquering Khergits will go really fast.
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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2011, 02:45:46 PM »
Thats nothing. I sieged this castle with about 80 of my men, against over 100 Sarranids. I only lost one Shining Eagle to a Javelin in the last nest of resistance.

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Re: Who has the Weakest Faction?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2011, 04:09:26 PM »
@Amagic: I'm not sure about the Khergits. If they happen to have lots of archers they can be quite an annoyance in sieges... but their melee troops are easily felled at the ladders and siege towers, yeah. Still, Khergits are the bane of low-level masses of infantry in the fields.

@Temuzu: you should share the specifics man... how elite were your forces ? How tough/weak were the defenders ? What is the archer ratio of your army and the enemy's ? What difficulty you play on ?

If I play on easiest difficulty and am using my favored equipment - plate armor, war bow, 2x large bag of khergit arrows and a glaive or two-handed sword - I can pretty much slaughter a garrison of 70-90 men all by myself if I so damn well please (unless most of them happen to be top tier archers, which can be dangerous even on easiest settings).
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