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Documental: Warriors, Viking Terror
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--- Quote from: aurgelmir on January 07, 2011, 09:48:58 PM --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: UnholyNighmare on January 07, 2011, 09:24:36 PM ---Okay, another quick post.
First, the genetic map. Just a note. I find it interesting that Hungarians and Finns are so far apart, especially since they're both Finno-Ugric. Of course, it's like 800 (?) or so years since the Hungarians came, so maybe it has changed during this period.
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Thing is that Finno-Ugric is a langage group and just like there is quite some genetic differences between Hindu speakers and Swedish speakers (both belonging to the Indo-European group). There is some difference between different groups belonging to the Finno-Ugric group which contains such very diverse peoples such as the Nganasan (similar in apperance to neighbouring Altai peoples such as Yakuts and Mongols), the Finns (who look Scandinavian enough), and the Hungarians.
Langauage groups doesn't really correlate well with genetics cuz while language was probably propagated by conquest it is likely that such conquests quite often brought little in terms of genetic influence to subjugated populations and/or that the conquering population acquired a related genome on the way to their destination. Like say a Turcic people would have conquored their way to Sweden from Ukraine via Germany within a span of 400 years, the number of individuals involved would consitute a rather small portion of Swedish population to begin with and while passing thru all the countries on the way (countries increasingly like Sweden genetically) and mixing with their peoples the genetic influence would at the end be negligeble but the language might be adopted.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TNYwfThz81I/AAAAAAAAC10/Jaq1P436tSQ/s1600/1ips07-Nganasan.jpg <- picture of a Nganasan
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That's interesting. I didn't know that, but it explains a lot. Thanks. I always thought the Magyars found some curiously empty spot to take as their own. And since some finns appear to have asian traits I always assumed Hungarians would be pretty much the same.
aurgelmir:
--- Quote from: UnholyNighmare on January 07, 2011, 10:38:00 PM ---That's interesting. I didn't know that, but it explains a lot. Thanks. I always thought the Magyars found some curiously empty spot to take as their own. And since some finns appear to have asian traits I always assumed Hungarians would be pretty much the same.
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Actually, not even the Finns themselves constitutes a genetic continuum, it has been revealed relatively recently that there is infact a genetic divide between Eastern and Western Finland, and indeed eastern Finland has a higher prevalence of asiatic alleles. Something that supports the idea that at some point Uralic peoples from the east started to make incremental inroads into Finland from the east, becomming more like the peoples already living there as they went west (likely also encountering larger populations by the coast which reduced their genetic impact even more). Then we also ofc have later Swedish and German immigration that put it's genetic mark predominantly in western Finland.
alfrogo:
--- Quote from: Obi Juan Kenobi on January 07, 2011, 12:06:53 PM ---In this series the American Revolutionaries were put among other iconic warriors of history. Is this really the best Viking documentary around ?
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ja meine kaiser. ja it is.
alfrogo:
--- Quote from: alfrogo on May 04, 2012, 08:47:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Obi Juan Kenobi on January 07, 2011, 12:06:53 PM ---In this series the American Revolutionaries were put among other iconic warriors of history. Is this really the best Viking documentary around ?
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ja meine kaiser. ja it is.
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please note that it says ICONIC not BEST or CONQUERORS it that was so there would be more well British ppl in it XD
Aernuss:
--- Quote from: Bert Preast on January 07, 2011, 05:32:42 PM ---Genetic map of Europe, might be of interest to those arguing who's related to who:
http://bigthink.com/ideas/21358
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That's funny, when reading this "debate", I thought also of showing you this map. Instead, I leave you with this illustrative statement from Bauchet et al. (2007), "Measuring European Population Stratification using Microarray Genotype Data", The American Journal of Human Genetics 80, who said: "there is low apparent diversity in Europe, with the entire continent-wide samples only marginally more dispersed than single population samples elsewhere in the world." Obvious as it was even before any mtDNA, YDNA or Autosomal (non-gender based) DNA studies came to light (and in the end, they all agree in this); I guess you "Vikings" should keep this in mind before starting to get too inflamed about things like the "viking race"!
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