Whats really going on in the world?

[Mage246]

Plenty of religious Christians have suddenly converted to other religions or no religion. Did they have a religious experience, too? Or is it only Christian religious experiences that are genuine?

[Eternal]

Plenty of religious Christians have suddenly converted to other religions or no religion. Did they have a religious experience, too? Or is it only Christian religious experiences that are genuine?

It's hard to have a religious experience that makes you have no religion.
And sure. Plenty of Christian preachers will tell you they 'misinterpreted' something or another. I personally have not been in their situation so I can't say with certainty. My point is that there is a God, not necessary a Christian God. Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

[Mage246]

People convert to Buddhism.

[Austupaio]

Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

What kind of bullshit is this? Here, from just a quick google I found something that, while of dubious quality, has at least as much going for it as your miracles, if not more.

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

[Eternal]

Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

What kind of bullshit is this? Here, from just a quick google I found something that, while of dubious quality, has at least as much going for it as your miracles, if not more.

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

I see nothing there that looks like a miracle. A cloud with Allah's name? Well, I saw a cloud one time with it looking like a penis. Obviously we now must bow to the Penis Cloud God.

Still not my point. By 'lack of' I meant 'significantly fewer than' Christian miracles. Which still applies. Actually, completely lack of would too, from your website.

[Austupaio]

So, your argument is 'my fake miracles are better than their fake miracles'? Eh, forget this. You're as deluded and idiotic as Godfrey.

[K-64]

It's because his religion is the "real" one, those other miracles are nothing compared to the undeniable miracles of Christianity

[Kobrag]

Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

What kind of bullshit is this? Here, from just a quick google I found something that, while of dubious quality, has at least as much going for it as your miracles, if not more.

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

I see nothing there that looks like a miracle. A cloud with Allah's name? Well, I saw a cloud one time with it looking like a penis. Obviously we now must bow to the Penis Cloud God.

Still not my point. By 'lack of' I meant 'significantly fewer than' Christian miracles. Which still applies. Actually, completely lack of would too, from your website.

Christian miracles such as say...all the fake 'relics' that appeared in the middle ages?
There were three of one saint;s head recorded in England alone. 

Classed as Miracles as they had 'healing properties' that encouraged pilgrimage.

[Eternal]

So, your argument is 'my fake miracles are better than their fake miracles'? Eh, forget this. You're as deluded and idiotic as Godfrey.

Oh dear, did I break your toy?
Calm down. It's a debate, not a bitch-fest.

It's because his religion is the "real" one, those other miracles are nothing compared to the undeniable miracles of Christianity

Hardly my point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle#Christianity
That's something along the lines of what I mean. I don't judge one religion as being over another.

Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

What kind of bullshit is this? Here, from just a quick google I found something that, while of dubious quality, has at least as much going for it as your miracles, if not more.

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

I see nothing there that looks like a miracle. A cloud with Allah's name? Well, I saw a cloud one time with it looking like a penis. Obviously we now must bow to the Penis Cloud God.

Still not my point. By 'lack of' I meant 'significantly fewer than' Christian miracles. Which still applies. Actually, completely lack of would too, from your website.

Christian miracles such as say...all the fake 'relics' that appeared in the middle ages?
There were three of one saint;s head recorded in England alone. 

Classed as Miracles as they had 'healing properties' that encouraged pilgrimage.

I don't think a relic would be amiracle, personally. I consider a miracle as something that God or a deity has done, either naturally but unexpectedly or unnaturally.

[Kobrag]

So, your argument is 'my fake miracles are better than their fake miracles'? Eh, forget this. You're as deluded and idiotic as Godfrey.

Oh dear, did I break your toy?
Calm down. It's a debate, not a bitch-fest.

It's because his religion is the "real" one, those other miracles are nothing compared to the undeniable miracles of Christianity

Hardly my point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle#Christianity
That's something along the lines of what I mean. I don't judge one religion as being over another.

Though the lack of Muslim miracles does suggest both points, I'm focusing on theism, not Christianity.

What kind of bullshit is this? Here, from just a quick google I found something that, while of dubious quality, has at least as much going for it as your miracles, if not more.

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

I see nothing there that looks like a miracle. A cloud with Allah's name? Well, I saw a cloud one time with it looking like a penis. Obviously we now must bow to the Penis Cloud God.

Still not my point. By 'lack of' I meant 'significantly fewer than' Christian miracles. Which still applies. Actually, completely lack of would too, from your website.

Christian miracles such as say...all the fake 'relics' that appeared in the middle ages?
There were three of one saint;s head recorded in England alone. 

Classed as Miracles as they had 'healing properties' that encouraged pilgrimage.

I don't think a relic would be amiracle, personally. I consider a miracle as something that God or a deity has done, either naturally but unexpectedly or unnaturally.

A severed head healing someone of a malady is somewhat miraculous and was regarded as such. Personal 'feelings' have no retroactive effect on history. =/

[Eternal]

Makes sense. I thought you referring the the relic itself as miraculous, not its effects.
And what do I know. They could've had healing properties, possibly not. I've never been near one. I have no say one way or the other.

[Kobrag]

Makes sense. I thought you referring the the relic itself as miraculous, not its effects.
And what do I know. They could've had healing properties, possibly not. I've never been near one. I have no say one way or the other.

Like I said, suc h things had many 'true' incarnations. Som most likley they were all fake and the actual 'healing' done was the natural course of the illness.

[Eternal]

Makes sense. I thought you referring the the relic itself as miraculous, not its effects.
And what do I know. They could've had healing properties, possibly not. I've never been near one. I have no say one way or the other.

Like I said, suc h things had many 'true' incarnations. Som most likley they were all fake and the actual 'healing' done was the natural course of the illness.

I understand your point completely, but how do you relate that to the Miracle of the Sun or someone seeing a vision of the Virgin Mary and then seeing her imprint on a tree or something like that? There's some things that appear true but really aren't (I read a thread by I believe Mage on prayer which was certainly true) but I'm unsure how to correlate that to other types of miracles.

[Kobrag]

Makes sense. I thought you referring the the relic itself as miraculous, not its effects.
And what do I know. They could've had healing properties, possibly not. I've never been near one. I have no say one way or the other.

Like I said, suc h things had many 'true' incarnations. Som most likley they were all fake and the actual 'healing' done was the natural course of the illness.

I understand your point completely, but how do you relate that to the Miracle of the Sun or someone seeing a vision of the Virgin Mary and then seeing her imprint on a tree or something like that? There's some things that appear true but really aren't (I read a thread by I believe Mage on prayer which was certainly true) but I'm unsure how to correlate that to other types of miracles.

The visions are most likey stories to make people beleive that the imprints are genuine and not say, tpositioning of the light/man made hoaxes or the human brains patern recognition system being what it is.

[rgodfrey]

Jesus is a miracle man and still does them today for those that love and believe him. God goes beyond human logic into the realm of the supernatural. 1Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. You will never know the things of the spirit realm of God with your human intellect and reasoning, you have to step out of self and into the miraculous and the only way to do this is by the infilling of the holyghost. Or Gods spirit poured into you from above. That is the greatest miracle the world will ever receive now and forever. These other miracles of sight, sound, limbs growing back are easy for the man from Galilee.

However there are pretenders in the world of course. Tricksters. People looking to make a buck.

Also there is evil satanic power that can heal as well. Remember from scripture how the false prophet will pull down fire from the sky to deceive the world into believing he is of God?

Rev 13:13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Whoever is pope at the time of the Antichrist will be the false prophet.

Jesus said Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There is no way to the father but by him. No other way. He also said Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

And the Father is Jesus. He is everything you need him to be. Jesus is a...

Healing lepers that cried, "Have pity on us"
Giving sight to Bartimeaus, there in the dust
The woman came to the well with her bucket you know
But she left there with a river in her soul

Problems and strife are all around you
Troubled waters of life, they almost drown you
Just reach out to that reaching down hand
Jesus is a miracle man
He'll give you a miracle
He'll give you a miracle
He'll give you a miracle
Jesus is a miracle man