Suggestions

[monnikje]

I quickly added all suggestions form the previous topic to this list, and hadn't considered them. Now I've also added your suggestions .

Shapic & disenchanter: I like the native prices too. But this idea of optional food might be a good idea. I changed that suggestion.

dejakritz & Crounch: When you replace music.txt by the native one, none of the new songs will be played. That's all you'll have to do to get rid of all those songs. If you want to use some of the new songs, you'd have to go to the source code, change the lines where the songs you dislike are mentioned and delete those. Another option is to take songs you like, rename them to the current names of the songs and replace those old ones by your new ones.

Niewitch: Hehe, I'm doing my best . Unfortunately getting a bugfree release is a tough nut to crack.
I like your suggestion to make new missions. I'll have a look at that. I don't know if I can make that happen for the coming update (bugfixes come first), but I'll certainly get to it.

Hatt & zacrobmer: I'll try to make a separate text-file that you can download with the native troop tree.

Dorta: If I change all the castle scenes, this might be doable.

braydog92: I like the idea. Too bad it's not possible. But maybe there's a work-around: I'll think about that.

Macroi: Maybe I'll add more . But not now: first I'll concentrate on the bugfixes. Creating a new companion isn't that hard: writing his lines are much more of a challenge. It took me an evening to write Floris' lines.

El-Diablito: Some nice suggestions there. Raising the betting amounts can indeed be an option, but I'm not sure I like people to use their own gear in tournaments. The way it is now, people have to rely on their own skills and not on the bonusses a good armor or bow give.

[BraveheartA7X]

is the troop somewhere in the game i cause i would like to know what i am upgrading my men to its pretty much a guessing game right now

[monnikje]

The troop tree is indeed in the game. You can view it by going to Reports -> View upgrade trees.

[BraveheartA7X]

oh ok thanks

[RogerAXS]

Make ransom payments more realistic, they are way too low. It's pretty strange that you only get a handful of denars for soldiers you captured in battle, when their equipment alone could be sold for far more than that. I think a fully equipped and trained soldier should be worth a lot more than a few pieces of bread and cabbage.

This is especially ridiculous when talking about lord's and even king's ransoms. For example, I recently captured the Nord's king, and all I got offered for him was a measly 7000 denars. His equipment alone could be sold for at least twice that amount. That's some "king's ransom"...

[braven5]

Suggestion:
Secondary weapon for Tornament Horse and Lance, and Tornament Javelin
(Dagger will surfice, or short sword)

Reason:
I had a lot problems in tornaments fustrating problems, especially in Praven where everyone is horse and lance and they no alternate weapons to collect...

Reason being is if your horse is badlywounded and no long has speed to couch damage, or if you dismounted, then all you can do is 0 damage, I have been in many duels where we both dismounted and spent like 30 mins doing NO damage to each other, till i realised it was was lost cause and was forced to quit the tornament, even tried fist and kicks, varying range, but nothing would increase damage above zero, really need a dagger or something for when you no mount so can still fight (and finish)

[Shapic]

braven5 lance is a great weapon, but it needs precise aiming and timing. place your hits at the end of the strike. Same for all other weapons, well placed strike gives you great speed bonus, just need a bit practice. You know, there is no use in lance in close combat, you need some room. Sometimes I don't use couched mode at all:
1 - strike is longer, you are able to kick the lancer from horse 
2 - it "reloads" faster
Damage is a bit lower, but does it really matter, 150 damage or 80? 
Tournament javelins, make it polearm mode speed faster. 
monnikje Try to make your own weapons awaliable in tournament, like in knights the last battle. You know, it really sucks to spawn in the last tier footed with a bow against horseman with sword and shield. Especially with 30 bow proficiency and no power draw. In order to maintain some balance, increase level of all troops, like in PoP. That would be really nice.
 

[El-Diablito]

El-Diablito: Some nice suggestions there. Raising the betting amounts can indeed be an option, but I'm not sure I like people to use their own gear in tournaments. The way it is now, people have to rely on their own skills and not on the bonusses a good armor or bow give.

Not really, you rely on luck, that is to say, that you get a weapon that you have good skills in, where you start, what the other guy gets so on.

For example, you get a horse and a lance vs a guy with a two handed sword = lol win

You get a bow and arrow vs a guy with a shield and sword = godamnit!

You get a melee weapon vs a mounted guy = lolwin due to stupid ai

etc etc.

But if everyone uses their own weapons, you're suddenly only using the weapons you've been able to afford so far fighting vs opponents mainly mounted I'd imagine (probably best if all are) wielding excellent weapons and having heavy armour themselves.

It means that it becomes *much* more difficult to use tournaments to milk money, as you simply won't have a chance of winning one with your newbie gear, at the same time you don't get the entire luck/bad luck thing of the weapon comboes you start with, you make your own luck and if you win or not relies on the skills you have with your selected weapons.

Obviously, all the tournament opponents should be high tier troops like high tier swadian cavalry etc, no peasants or nord spear humpers.

[braven5]

braven5 lance is a great weapon, but it needs precise aiming and timing. place your hits at the end of the strike. Same for all other weapons, well placed strike gives you great speed bonus, just need a bit practice. You know, there is no use in lance in close combat, you need some room. Sometimes I don't use couched mode at all:

I afraid you miss-understand, i talking about the tornament lance when you both been dismounted, the armor negates all of its damage, maybe if you have high power strike it still enough to get passed the armor ok, but when your still 3-4 or less it nothing more than tickle stick that cant do any damage at all, and i know about postiontioning to maximise the damage too, as I can still dismount them easy

[El-Diablito]

braven5 lance is a great weapon, but it needs precise aiming and timing. place your hits at the end of the strike. Same for all other weapons, well placed strike gives you great speed bonus, just need a bit practice. You know, there is no use in lance in close combat, you need some room. Sometimes I don't use couched mode at all:

I afraid you miss-understand, i talking about the tornament lance when you both been dismounted, the armor negates all of its damage, maybe if you have high power strike it still enough to get passed the armor ok, but when your still 3-4 or less it nothing more than tickle stick that cant do any damage at all, and i know about postiontioning to maximise the damage too, as I can still dismount them easy

This is why I'd prefer if you used your own weapons (and the opponents were high tier troops also using their own weapons) in tournaments. No more of these "oh come on!" moments with weapon pairings etc.

If you go in with a rubbish weapon for the job, you'll only have yourself to blame.

[braven5]

I prefer the tornament weapons, but i dont think you can add your own weapons, becuase all tornament weapons are 'blunt' so they KO you and not kill you.... regular weapons would be lethal, so all damage you take will transfer to the next round

[El-Diablito]

I prefer the tornament weapons, but i dont think you can add your own weapons, becuase all tornament weapons are 'blunt' so they KO you and not kill you.... regular weapons would be lethal, so all damage you take will transfer to the next round

No you can, in many mods you enter the tournament with all your own gear (except chest armour which is team colour chain mail usually), weapons and horse. You cannot die in a tournament, you only K.O no matter what weapons used.

Go download AD 1257 and run a tournament there, they did and I think you'll find those tournaments aren't quite as easy as you'd think.

It's been done in mods since pre-warband and it's always made it more interesting in my opinion. After all, tournament fighters in the middle ages spent great efforts on affording good weaponry and armour for tournaments, these mount and blade tournaments where you're handed wooden swords and rags are just mind bogglingly historically inaccurate, knights fighting with wooden swords as if they were mere pages?

[braven5]

In real tornements tho you still dont use real weapons, sure they metal but they still blunted edges, only honor duels used lethal weapons, but ofc, even blunt weapons can be lethal so accidents was common.

[El-Diablito]

In real tornements tho you still dont use real weapons, sure they metal but they still blunted edges, only honor duels used lethal weapons, but ofc, even blunt weapons can be lethal so accidents was common.

Trust me, when you slam a nobleman over the helmet with a mace, it's as real as it gets.

People used to refer to specific tournaments as "That was the tournament where x or y was killed". The primary goal of tournaments before and up to the thirteenth century (it's around the late thirteenth century they begin to change if I recall correctly), tournaments were really mock battles fought mounted with the goal of capturing and ransoming enemy nobles, taking their arms and armour etc and selling it back to them (or someone else, if they couldn't afford it).

That said, this isn't a historic realism mod so historic accuracy comes in second place to what they want to achieve themselves in the game.

[BraveheartA7X]

Ya but if you are able to choose the weapons you use in tournaments then you should win every tournament.  I mean i would just go in with a 2h sword and destroy everything.  This way it makes sure you are actually good with all the weapons, and the only class that you  prevents you from walking in and dominating the field is the archer class and that could be easily fixed by giving him a 1h sword, so i mean you should really be able to win almost all tournaments anyways