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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2010, 02:16:55 PM »
Well, the OP does seem to be a bit of a twit...
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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2010, 11:23:29 AM »
in a very simplified sketch...
Thebes defeated Sparta, Thebes was defeated by Macedonians and Macedonians by the Romans....

The Spartans were definetly good fighters, especially against Persians armed whith whicker shields or fellow Greek Cityes who fielded citizen armies and not armies composed of proffesionals. But when facing a tough, professional army like the Sacred Band of Thebes, they lost. If presumably they would have ever met the Romans on battlefield, they would have lost against them as well.

The Roman Legions where probably the best soldiers in history. I have seen whith my own eyes the difficulty of the terrain they had to conquer and the fortresses they stormed in the Dacian Wars, to give just an example. They fought a battle against the Dacian zealots in mountains as high as 2000 meters, they built castra on top of peaks which can barely be ascended today.... They have done works of military enginering that would be most difficult for even a modern day army. There is nothing in the ancient world that can be compared to the Roman Legions.


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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2010, 11:30:19 AM »
in a very simplified sketch...
Thebes defeated Sparta, Thebes was defeated by Macedonians and Macedonians by the Romans....

The Spartans were definetly good fighters, especially against Persians armed whith whicker shields or fellow Greek Cityes who fielded citizen armies and not armies composed of proffesionals. But when facing a tough, professional army like the Sacred Band of Thebes, they lost. If presumably they would have ever met the Romans on battlefield, they would have lost against them as well.

The Roman Legions where probably the best soldiers in history. I have seen whith my own eyes the difficulty of the terrain they had to conquer and the fortresses they stormed in the Dacian Wars, to give just an example. They fought a battle against the Dacian zealots in mountains as high as 2000 meters, they built castra on top of peaks which can barely be ascended today.... They have done works of military enginering that would be most difficult for even a modern day army. There is nothing in the ancient world that can be compared to the Roman Legions.

ib elieve if they had , by some unlicky twist of fate encountered the CHILDRENS CRUSADE they not have the reputation they havve now and would be turning in their graves from such a shamefull defeat!

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2010, 04:19:15 AM »
Spartan Hoplites are very overrated and thats due to exaggeration done by films (most notoriously 300)

The Preatorians were elitist Soldiers personally picked by the Emperor as his personal guard. They held power for hundreds of years, and were infamously corrupt.

Spartans on the other hand were a Military City State governed by two Kings that run eithier Economical or Military means with a Council for each king.

The whole city state of Sparta was comprised mainly of Slaves, called Helots who were nothing more then labourers that ran the country and in comabt were Militiamen, the bulk of the actaul Spartan Military.

The Hoplites were proffessional soldiers who trained rigoursly, but they were as said before regimented for Drilled Phalanx fighting. Sure they learned how to be self sufficient, but any man with a brain will figure out how to given enough time.

I'd say Preatorian Guards for this one, due to the fact that they had better organization, and if say Hypothetically Rome and Sparta went to war, of which they did, Would get conqeured by Romes superior Infranstructure and organization.



I got another Warrior vs Warrior matchup.

Try a Bedioun (Bedioun being in my bloodline too >:D) Warrior from the Crusades Era, famous for their involvement on the Saracen side And, a bit off topic, in numerous later wars such as the First World War against the Ottoman Empire and even in the second World War against General Rommels Afrika Corps, against a Keivan Rus Varangian Guard, which were famously employed by the Byzantines as well as the Early Russians who near sacked the city of Constantinople, proving to be powerful fighters.





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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2010, 05:51:24 PM »
This "Deadliest Warrior" crap that often permeates the Sage's Guild is one of the worst things about this forum.
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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2010, 08:41:11 PM »
The Romans forged a huge empire that still influences us today. The Spartans were beaten by 300 arse pirates.
Romans and thus Praetorians win.


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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2010, 11:14:17 PM »
Rashidun Arabs were the best soldiers in history

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2010, 11:16:51 PM »
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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2010, 12:08:41 AM »
btw Turko-Mongol Horse Archers were good (maybe the most dangerous warriors)
« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 12:52:52 AM by Kataphraktos »

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2010, 03:01:50 AM »

I got another Warrior vs Warrior matchup.

Try a Bedioun (Bedioun being in my bloodline too >:D) Warrior from the Crusades Era, famous for their involvement on the Saracen side And, a bit off topic, in numerous later wars such as the First World War against the Ottoman Empire and even in the second World War against General Rommels Afrika Corps, against a Keivan Rus Varangian Guard, which were famously employed by the Byzantines as well as the Early Russians who near sacked the city of Constantinople, proving to be powerful fighters.

This one's easy.. Bedouins win in the desert, Varangians win anywhere else. Not that Bedouins were actually a specific type of warrior, they are more of a nomadic ethnic group right??
« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 03:20:40 AM by Finzi »

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2010, 04:42:26 AM »
Spartans are overrated. Just because they were walls of bronze and managed to hold armies of cloth and wicker in a narrow pass for a few days doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being elite warriors.
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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2010, 04:50:03 AM »
Spartans are overrated. Just because they were walls of bronze and managed to hold armies of cloth and wicker in a narrow pass for a few days doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being elite warriors.
Well, they wasn't alone neither. Around 1,200 of Greece's bravest helped.

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2010, 05:47:43 AM »
Well rather, Bediouns are a ethnicity, as I am Bedioun myself.

I am speaking more directly of the warrior caste of my ethnic group, of which has served as Mercenaries, and are Nomads who refer to eithier total nomad or semi nomad lifestyles of which involve herding.

(although Alot of Bediouns, such as myself have settled now obviously. But there is just as many traditionalists going about)

Bedioun warriors not only served in Desert regions, but have served in Europe, Africa, and other parts of Asia as well.

A great example of this was in the 14th Century when the Ottoman Turks hired Bedioun Warlords to support them in Wallachia. THe few victories held by the Ottomans included Bedioun warriors each time, and every time. And thats due to the fact they used Bedioun Warriors as a sort of Geurilla to counter Geurilla warfare used by Vlad Dracul II at the time.

Another example is when the Abyssinian Mountain Kingdoms of Africa in the late 18th Century (some of the few ones still independent)

Waged war with each other. These nations included Malinda, Gallia, And Gondar. These nations, the most powerful of all of them, Gondar was overrun by a Gallia armed force, of which were known Savage warriros of the time, combined with Gondars most powerful co leader, who was exiled due to adultery with the Gondar Royal Empress (Who was considered sacred)
The Archbishop of the Gondar Christian Church, the Acab Scat, Lead a coup to overthrow them.

If needed I will explain these kingdoms more, but this generally took place in the area of Ethiopia, Sudan, and nations surrounding it.

However, the Daughter of the Empress managed to escape the massive invasion, and later after evading the Acab Scaats Bounty Hunters for qutie some time, and with refugee Malindan Royalty, managed to find allies along freed Slaves, as well as a BEDIOUN Radical who led his tribe with a few other groups, and drove across Malinda, gathering people to their cause (the Gallia were oppressive, and + the fact they had Malindian Royalty, the people rose up)

And joined the cause. After pushing the Acab Scaats forces out of Malinda, and with little time to lsoe before the Acab Scaat withdrawed his forces that were attacking nearby regions, The Empress moved to reclaim her throne. After a tough, gritty seige, which involved infiltration, Bedioun forces combined with Many African tribes stormed through the city of Gondar, pushing back the Gallia. The Acab Scaat decided  to hole up in the restored City Fortress tower, and it took to a few brave infilitrators to climb through the tower, and kill him.

Also, Wars involving the Timurids, Mongols, and as well as the Crimean war involved Bediouns.

Varangian Guards on the other hand, seemingly died out after the Tatars invaded Russia, overthrowing the first Slavic rulers of Russia, and it wasn't until succsessive leaders, inlcuding Ivan the Terrible, that the Tatars were fianlly driven out.


« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 05:49:59 AM by Majhudeen »

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2010, 09:21:53 PM »
Lets do somthing a little more realistic here...

A Dark Eldar Incubus vs A Harlequin.

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Re: Elite Warriors of their time (MATCHUP)
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2010, 09:32:13 PM »
Harlequins. Is it even a question?

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