Companion like and dislike [spoiler]

[Lohi-soturi]

Hi all,

Here you can find Brytenwalda's companions comparison, with all their likes and dislikes, based solely on game files, so I believe everything's 100% true.
I spent two very long evenings learning how files work and how to find interesting data in long strings of numbers but I hope it's worth it, mainly because Brytenwalda is worth understaning it.

xyp, I think you have done a magnificent job. Kudos - much appreciated! Straight from the files, 100% sure information about likes and dislikes. I do hope you will update this once 1.34 is released.

I used the info you extracted to find out the largest stable (ie. the members either have no dislikes or have at most one dislike that is then partly compensated by having also like for the same member) NPC parties in Brytenwalda 1.332 (I used a program I wrote for WFAS):

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Party 1: Agasicles, Athrwys ap Gwawrddur, Ceawlin, Connor mac Odhrain, Eadfrith Cearling, Eadwin, Eithne, Frioc, Gwenllian, Inka, Liuva, Lothar, Matui Turthail, Onuist, Osmund, Siwi.


Party 2: Agasicles, Athrwys ap Gwawrddur, Ceawlin, Connor mac Odhrain, Eadfrith Cearling, Eithne, Frioc, Gwenllian, Inka, Liuva, Lothar   Matui Turthail, Mihael Ap Cadwalladr, Onuist, Osmund, Siwi.


Therefore, In essence there exists one 16 member stable party in 1.332 but you can choose between Eadwin and Mihael Ap Cadwalladr.

I don't want to see spoilers.

Fortunately this whole thread is marked with [spoiler] so everyone can protect themselves from companion information simply by steering clear of this thread. For those of us who like to be able to plan for these things beforehand this has been a goldmine, especially xyp's work.

[Hengwulf]

I don't want to see spoilers.

Fortunately this whole thread is marked with [spoiler] so everyone can protect themselves from companion information simply by steering clear of this thread. For those of us who like to be able to plan for these things beforehand this has been a goldmine, especially xyp's work.

Yeah , I meant I like to find out myself. Though I never steer clear of a thread

[DennisBergkamp]

I used the info you extracted to find out the largest stable (ie. the members either have no dislikes or have at most one dislike that is then partly compensated by having also like for the same member) NPC parties in Brytenwalda 1.332 (I used a program I wrote for WFAS):

Interesting, both these parties include Eadfrith (who I thought everyone hated and/or hated everyone).

[Thorgil]

Will 1.34 have new companions?

Yes!

    yea?! coool...
one nubian guy called Sagramor?     just jokin...
will they have different body sizes? like will you be able to have a companion like Steapa?! 
damn i´m lookin forward like hell to it...

I love you Thorgil. 
bromance activated.

covering your left side...   

[Uhtred Ragnarson]

Will 1.34 have new companions?

Yes!

    yea?! coool...
one nubian guy called Sagramor?     just jokin...
will they have different body sizes? like will you be able to have a companion like Steapa?! 
damn i´m lookin forward like hell to it...

I love you Thorgil. 
bromance activated.

covering your left side...   

hopefully my right! 

[Lohi-soturi]

Interesting, both these parties include Eadfrith (who I thought everyone hated and/or hated everyone).

Eadfrith indeed has a lot of baggage, being disliked by 4 members and himself dislikes 2, totalling 5 different persons (i.e. one dislike is mutual).

If one accepts members having at most one dislike that is compensated by a like (my definition of stable) then one can use the popular persons with small social baggage to offset this.
 
In Eadfrith's case the key is Inka (who has a mutual like with Eadfrith) for Inka opens up many possibilities for a very small baggage: Inka is disliked by no-one and dislikes 2, is liked by 4 members and likes 1 (totalling 4 different persons).

Of course, if one requires a stricly stable party (i.e. not even compensated dislikes allowed) then Eadfrith is not to be found in any of the 20 different variations of 12 member strictly stable parties in 1.332 ( I didn't post them here since it's a pain to post tables in the forum, and besides, all this info will be obsolete once 1.34 is released with the new npcs...) whereas Inka is featured in 16 out of the 20 maximal 12 member strictly stable parties.

Cheers,
LS

[Uhtred Ragnarson]

Tweakmb.

That is all

[DennisBergkamp]

Interesting, both these parties include Eadfrith (who I thought everyone hated and/or hated everyone).

Eadfrith indeed has a lot of baggage, being disliked by 4 members and himself dislikes 2, totalling 5 different persons (i.e. one dislike is mutual).

If one accepts members having at most one dislike that is compensated by a like (my definition of stable) then one can use the popular persons with small social baggage to offset this.
 
In Eadfrith's case the key is Inka (who has a mutual like with Eadfrith) for Inka opens up many possibilities for a very small baggage: Inka is disliked by no-one and dislikes 2, is liked by 4 members and likes 1 (totalling 4 different persons).

Of course, if one requires a stricly stable party (i.e. not even compensated dislikes allowed) then Eadfrith is not to be found in any of the 20 different variations of 12 member strictly stable parties in 1.332 ( I didn't post them here since it's a pain to post tables in the forum, and besides, all this info will be obsolete once 1.34 is released with the new npcs...) whereas Inka is featured in 16 out of the 20 maximal 12 member strictly stable parties.

Cheers,
LS

Cool, thanks for the explanation... not sure I understand all of it, but whatever
It would be interesting to see what 1.34 brings in terms of companions... maybe it will even allow for a larger "stable" party.

[Lohi-soturi]

Will 1.34 have new companions?

Yes!

After a preliminary look I did not find any new companions in 1.34. Not that I'm complaining - I think 1.332 already had quite enough (26 possible companions in 1.332 which is already a huge number)

[Inarius]

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Party 1: Agasicles, Athrwys ap Gwawrddur, Ceawlin, Connor mac Odhrain, Eadfrith Cearling, Eadwin, Eithne, Frioc, Gwenllian, Inka, Liuva, Lothar, Matui Turthail, Onuist, Osmund, Siwi.


Party 2: Agasicles, Athrwys ap Gwawrddur, Ceawlin, Connor mac Odhrain, Eadfrith Cearling, Eithne, Frioc, Gwenllian, Inka, Liuva, Lothar   Matui Turthail, Mihael Ap Cadwalladr, Onuist, Osmund, Siwi.

I don't understand how can these two parties could be "stable". I can't understand how, for example Onuist could stay in this, whereas there is nobody he likes and Inka, who he dislikes. Or perhaps i have missed something or someone ?

[Lohi-soturi]

I don't understand how can these two parties could be "stable". I can't understand how, for example Onuist could stay in this, whereas there is nobody he likes and Inka, who he dislikes. Or perhaps i have missed something or someone ?

Are you using some other like/dislike information than  xyp's?  Onuist doesn't dislike Inka (in fact, nobody dislikes Inka - see either xyp's post in this thread or the link from my sig)

[Inarius]

well, yes he does dislike her

look above in the post of alyssa, Onuist doesn't like Inka

Moreover, he has already started to complain about her so...

[Nairagorn]

Just as an aside, there's a way to totally turn off npc like-and-dislike so you can have any mix of companions you'd like:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,103816.0.html

Requires a new game tho.

[Lohi-soturi]

well, yes he does dislike her

look above in the post of alyssa, Onuist doesn't like Inka

Moreover, he has already started to complain about her so...

Xyp's information is straight from the files so I prefer it to all the others.

Are you 100% sure that Onuist does not dislike Inka? According to xyp's data it should only be the other way around - Inka does not like Onuist.

I can't check it myself from the files now (I'm. currently vacationing in Porto  and typing this with a cell phone). But i  checked the files myself once some time ago and did not then find anything wrong with xyp's data.

[DennisBergkamp]

Hmm, well I have tried max number of Party composition 1, and I can confirm Onuist nor Inka will leave the party (this is after having the party for about ~50 game days).