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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2006, 03:16:25 PM »
I wouldn't know, but probably not quite that much. Valentine Armouries offers one similar to it for just under $4000.00 with a full chain hauberk underneath it. But I am not terribly fond of thier work. Medievalrepro.com sells a full suit of very high quality for $1599.00 Canadian.

If you have a fair amount of discernment and are willing to shop around you can get equivalent suits for much less than the above prices.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2006, 07:30:05 AM »
Yeah, I didn't think about Valentine Armouries, what is it about their work that you don't like?

Yes, Medieval Reproductions suits are amazing.
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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 11:05:41 AM »

Valentine Armouries is a company that just isn't very good at its job. That's their only real problem. Their techniques of armour reproduction, as well as the materials they choose to use, are often far less than historically sound, and often result in an inferior product. Unfortunately, this is pretty common among re-enactment equipment, as some people seem bent on refusing to believe that medieval people just might have known more about how to make an effective suit of armour than modern people who have no conventional use for the stuff.

In my experience, VA's equipment is fine and dandy if you're an SCAer or otherwise just a weekend warrior. If you're more discerning and you're buying the armour not just for play, but for its value as a historical reproduction, piece of art, AND as a piece of functional armour, then you want something that works in that regard. VA's stuff doesn't. It's toy armour. And their mail is rather pitiful.

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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2006, 05:07:19 PM »
Dude,
You really seem to have a stilted view of the SCA.
VA's armour would never hold up in an SCA environment. Other than that I think your assesment sound if perhaps too sweeping. They make some things quite well.

And I reiterate that at least in the U.S. the craft of armoury would be non-existant practicaly if it were not for the inpetus given it by the SCA, and most armourers are still quite dependant upon SCA sales . Albiet is is very fashionable in some groups to denigrate the organization as a whole for self aggrandizement these days.

Brian Price, Jeff Hedgcock, Christin Tobler are just some of the armourers local to me who got thier start, and learned most of thier techniques in the SCA, both in armouring and WMA combat studies.

It is a BIG group with a wide variety of interests and a widr disparity of skills, skillsets, or lack thereof.

Some people join it to study with likeminded people about illumination and do work to rival the Book of Kells, but are not interested in costuming armour or fighting, so thats all they know.

Some are only interested in the fighting as a large moshpit with sometimes up to 2000 people in it, and go no further.

This applies to woodworkers, metalsmiths, bladesmiths ect.

Some are interested in the all around experience, and strive to excell in al things regarding medieval life, but are not interested in doing roleplay at all. (Jeff Hedgcock, Brian Price fit this one I think)

And yes sadly some are their with a complete lack of historical interest at all and see it as some kind of frat club rave or something.

I am not debating the truth of just how bad the large majority of the SCA sucks. Most of the more dilligent SCA folk would be the first to state this and hate some of the more abberant SCA aspects far more than you might. Personally I soon hope to get back into reenactment, and start a new WMA studygroup here, but I will not be getting back into the SCA. But it is not right that so many so often paint the society as a whole with such a broad brush.

I cite Sir Gaston for instance:




He is the gentleman with the greathelm and large crest.

Here he is with the greathelm off so that you can see the bascinet cap he wears underneath it.



He made this kit himself.
Beig under such an umbrella group can be most helpfull, and 20 years ago it was neccesary since we did not have the internet, or nearly as many available rescources that we do today. WMA studies were done when people could get together and pool rescources. An SCA war was, and still is an excellent opportunity for people from all over the world to do this.

As for "Silly rules" yes there are many depending upon where you are. But many are more neccesary than you might think. My first 6 months in the SCA all I was allowed to do was slow work, then some freesparring after that. When I was finally allowed to do full contact sparring I soon went up against a very nice gentleman who used a longsword against my "Heater" shield and singlesword.

In short he cleanly struck my leg with what I would call a "hauke snatch", following up to a more standard hauke cut to the right side of my head which I blocked, but his blow shattered my steel rimmed shield six inches into it driving shards of wood through my heavy gloves.

I have repeatedly put 1/4" to 1/2" creases in 14 guage steel helmets. Combine this with combats with up to 2000 people at once and you need rules that cover a broad amount of contingencies.

My point being you could have made the exact same post simply stating that "If you are more casual about such things" or some such without unintentionally defaming the character of many who do not fit, or deserve such large brushstrokes as "VA's equipment is fine and dandy if you're an SCAer or otherwise just a weekend warrior".

Anyhoo, no worries really, any excuseto show a prety kit is a good one IMHO.  ;)
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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2006, 06:34:03 PM »
hey,nice documentation :mrgreen:

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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 11:02:01 PM »
Ah, the Battle of the Thirty.  That anual battle is probably the finest and most period showing the SCA has put forward in its history.   :)

Now, I want one for the 15th century!

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2006, 10:39:02 AM »
great pic's s  :)
They should also be helpfull for moders.
now i just wish that there was a festival like that back here in holland.
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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 01:56:03 AM »
You're kidding, right?  Perhaps not in Holland proper, but there are *incredible* medieval reenactment groups all over Europe. France, Brittain and Germany all have some spectacular groups that work in/with some spectacular locations.  The Company of St. George, for instance, stretches primarily in a corridor from Brittain to France to Switzerland.  And that's ignoring the entire SCA kingdom of Drachenwald! 

I'd give my back teeth to be able to fight a battle on Halidon Hill or Tewkesbury Plain, and you folks on the other side of the pond can do it every year if you like.   :(

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2006, 10:37:16 AM »
:) A friend of mine is a smith (not armourer though) and I think he makes very nice weapons. Take a look :) (there is an english version, just click the flag :))

http://www.sword-gur.com/

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2006, 09:26:37 PM »
You're kidding, right?  Perhaps not in Holland proper, but there are *incredible* medieval reenactment groups all over Europe. France, Brittain and Germany all have some spectacular groups that work in/with some spectacular locations.  The Company of St. George, for instance, stretches primarily in a corridor from Brittain to France to Switzerland.  And that's ignoring the entire SCA kingdom of Drachenwald! 

I'd give my back teeth to be able to fight a battle on Halidon Hill or Tewkesbury Plain, and you folks on the other side of the pond can do it every year if you like.   :(

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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2006, 01:43:32 AM »
But... I'm 15th century! 


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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2006, 09:40:45 AM »
But... I'm 15th century! 


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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2006, 03:54:01 PM »
But... I'm 15th century! 


 :P

All of us have our faults...

Yup, we all know 13th and 14th c is where its at.  :p

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Re: nice pictures
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2006, 10:57:48 PM »
Quote from: Blackthorn
All of us have our faults...
Ha ha ha, very funny.   :P










You knew Toby Capwell was selling that?   :?  I have pictures of his last harness -a german gothic white harness (made by... Patric Thaden, IIRC?)- and he sold that one to "upgrade" (hah!  we should all be cursed with such harnesses!)  to the Macpherson harness.  Man, where do you go from THERE?  I'm not at all sure if there's a better armorer in the world. There's probably a good dozen or so in the same league, but better?
 

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2006, 12:29:32 AM »
Yeah, I figure he just wants something different. Who knows now he's on the Wallace collection staff.

My favorite armourer is still Jeff Hedgcock up there.

Probably because I've known him since he first started. If only there were groups like the Order of the Crescent back when I was getting started...well that and if I was rich.  ;)
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