Rules

[wilow scath]

Used just saying,
it would be a good idea to take tolerence to other people's opinions instead of confronting them in a defencive and indiscriminante way.

[Czar9797]

this mod is no different to real life. many people have taken advantage of lawlessness throughout history, spilling blood and stealing without remorse. one example is vikings.

hmm...... let's see what the berserker thinks about him killing people randomly!

since there is no law, people will take advantage. you have to deal with that.

it's not 'incorrect roleplay' to kill randomly when there's no law. you must agree with me on this; realistically, if you can get away with it - you would do it.

when the law comes, the bandits will be dealt with. but in this mod, there is no such thing as incorrect roleplay.

END OF STORY

Problem is, unlike life, you respawn.

[Used]

i'm not arguing realism, i've just pointed out the similarities of this mod to real life. key word being similarities, not how the mod is completely realistic, nor am i suggesting that the mod should be completely realistic. otherwise, there are many, many things i could point out about realism. again, since i know you will try and rebut this,  like you all rebut everything i say (well, it's human nature)- i'm not arguing realism.

and alex_c:

i'm not insulting or trolling anyone. i'm not ignoring people's points either. if i ignored them, i wouldn't have quoted them now, would i? you seem to think that disagreeing = ignoring. you should listen to jeckfromshadow. i don't care about what you say. you're wasting your time with me.

People eventually get bored of this and can't be bothered to argue with him and he seems to see this as him winning.

yet here you are, still continuing

lol

and yeah czar that's true, i meant it's 'no different to real life' in the sense of lawlessness, not that the mod itself is COMPLETELY the same as real life (because we know it's not), hopefully that will stop alex_c and vermin from saying 'but you said it's no different! you're contradicting yourself!' when really i'm not.

[Czar9797]

Again, most random murderers are idiots that have the vocabulary and mental capacity of a snail. They'll eat any intelligant crap up just like that.

[Used]

yeah, as i've said in my posts i'm not a random murderer/bandit. i usually play as part of a kingdom and kill bandits and protect civilians.

but i applaud your attempt at insulting me, lol

[Czar9797]

What? How was I insulting you?

[Used]

wait, were you?

[Alex_C]

i'm not arguing realism, i've just pointed out the similarities of this mod to real life. key word being similarities, not how the mod is completely realistic, nor am i suggesting that the mod should be completely realistic. otherwise, there are many, many things i could point out about realism. again, since i know you will try and rebut this,  like you all rebut everything i say (well, it's human nature)- i'm not arguing realism.

and alex_c:

i'm not insulting or trolling anyone. i'm not ignoring people's points either. if i ignored them, i wouldn't have quoted them now, would i? you seem to think that disagreeing = ignoring. you should listen to jeckfromshadow. i don't care about what you say. you're wasting your time with me.

People eventually get bored of this and can't be bothered to argue with him and he seems to see this as him winning.

yet here you are, still continuing

lol

and yeah czar that's true, i meant it's 'no different to real life' in the sense of lawlessness, not that the mod itself is COMPLETELY the same as real life (because we know it's not), hopefully that will stop alex_c and vermin from saying 'but you said it's no different! you're contradicting yourself!' when really i'm not.

You are certainly insulting people, whether you're trolling of course is subjective, but I'd say you are.
You say you're not ignoring points of view and that you've quoted them; it's interesting however just how selective you've been in most of your quotes. Often someone will write an argument, you'll quote a small section of it and then, instead of arguing against it, will just make some trite, bigoted joke. Not exactly what I would call sensible debate.
You have also now dropped your realism argument, in which case, we must take gameplay over realism. Getting killed while unarmed and unable to defend oneself does not make for a fun game, therefore there should be rules.

[Vermin]

yeah, as i've said in my posts i'm not a random murderer/bandit. i usually play as part of a kingdom and kill bandits and protect civilians.

but i applaud your attempt at insulting me, lol

~john_the_bandit_hero

and then as I called you a randomming bandit, you signed with another name. lol?

You quote half of what I said and responded with an empty argument(wasnt even an argument but I'm being nice now). You didnt respond to the rest of my post.
All you do is shout the same weak arguments, while ignoring whatever you cannot deal with. I'll come back to this discussion when you have learned how to argument or when you are gone.

Also, you have been insulting me in this whole topic, implying that I am weak and inferior(meh, even a single quickly typed argument from me is stronger than everything you wrote here).

[BenFree]

I think you should tone down the aggression used. I have read this thread with some interest, but I have to say I am somewhat disgusted at your misogynistic rants, as such I have felt the need to report you. I have no idea how sexist you actually are, but your agressive manner is making you look sexist (a warning just in case you're not). I have to agree with Alex_C, I think you're a troll.

Now, onto rules in-game, I personally think it could be governed like any other death-match, that is allow people to poll kcik and ban. That way if a bandit is camping the armoury, set a poll to kick and say why, as its likely that they've annoyed other players they will probably be kicked.

[Used]

You are certainly insulting people, whether you're trolling of course is subjective, but I'd say you are.
You say you're not ignoring points of view and that you've quoted them; it's interesting however just how selective you've been in most of your quotes. Often someone will write an argument, you'll quote a small section of it and then, instead of arguing against it, will just make some trite, bigoted joke. Not exactly what I would call sensible debate.
You have also now dropped your realism argument, in which case, we must take gameplay over realism. Getting killed while unarmed and unable to defend oneself does not make for a fun game, therefore there should be rules.

often someone will write an argument, ill quote the part i feel i need to rebut and then, instead of making some trite, bigoted joke (lol wtf), i will rebut it. sensible debate? i'm not here to debate sensibly. i'm johnno, mate. get used to it. _sooner_ than later, preferable

now you're telling me i've dropped my realism argument, when FIRST OF ALL i wasn't arguing realism at all, i was showing the similarities between real life and this mod. have i dropped that? no i haven't i still believe strongly in what i said, and you're telling me i don't? that i've dropped that? christ son you need to read my posts more thoroughly (or actually read them) because from what you've been saying it sounds like you haven't even bothered to comprehend what i'm saying. it shows, when you label me as a troll, lol? how so? because i dropped in a 'u mad?' a few times? CHIRST son, if you think thats trolling, stay away from 4chan. get rid of this 'he said something i dont like so its trolling' mentality.

we don't have to go into realism _over_ gameplay, this mod has proven to be very fun for people who aren't sheep like yourself, and the few others who complain about being killed by bandits or whatever their womanly experiences are.

how clear does it have to be made

there are no rules in this mod

also vermin, i haven't been insulting you this whole thread, i've only began talking to you since page 5 (maybe 4, i don't know). i quoted half of what you said, because that whole chunk in the middle of what you said was just your story of you being killed by bandits or something, i can't remember, but yeah, it wasn't really an argument or a point or anything, so i felt no need to quote it. i'll quote it again and maybe you'll see how irrelevant it is, hang on a sec.


edit: quoting vermin as promised.

Anyway, for people who are willing to listen,
I have played this mod several times and Ive only found to to be interesting when there are some proper factions and/or people RPing.
When I first played this mod I got killed three times before I could even get to an armoury. Unlike our friend Used thinks, women like me dont give up that easily and I kept trying until I got into the White group, defending the innocents and eventually defeating the 'bad' faction(green at the time).
I know alot of people who would never have gotten that far, who would have given up after being killed three times. People who might have been good RPers but quit because the 'though' kids(like Used the 'bandit-hero') enjoy killing them while they cant defend themselves.

Unfortunatly, it took me a while to find another game like that, sometimes you just have factions who only want people from a specific clan, country or group, the rest of the server cant(or dont want to) organize themselves and thats it. If there are, in such a case, no rules, you just die alot without achieving anything.
In another case it was just a giant DM party, where everyone ran around and killed whoever they saw. Seriously, if I want to play DM, I'll go to a DM-server where I can simply select my equipment in the menu, without having to mine and visit an armoury where some lowly little kid such as yourself is camping.

If everyone on a server wants to RP and play properly, its fun. However, there are always 5-yr-olds who enjoy killing unarmed 'because they can'. a basic 'no killing unarmed' rule take away their fun and makes them go away.
You can give it time, but it wont stop those 5-yr olds from randomming.

yeah you got killed a few times and you stuck it out, cool! you're saying the mod was a giant dm party (sounds familiar, oh that's right, 1 or 2 other people in this thread have been incessantly repeating the same thing), wow! that's tough! like i said, the mod is like that. it's not for the weak, or the faint hearted. fortunately, you've toughed it out. the only bad part is, you don't enjoy it. well boo hoo to you. also, i 'signed' myself as John_the_bandit_hero, because I sign as something random every time. you might've noticed that if you read my posts (did you? if so how didn't you notice that?) can you see why i didn't feel the need to quote/reply to that? it's just your story of how the mod isn't fun for you. it's not for everybody.

~Johan_J_Johansen_norwegian_demander_of_greetz

[Vermin]

...whatever their womanly experiences are.

I did come back for this, thats how you insult me, and I'm reporting you.

[Used]

i wasn't insulting you, i wasn't insulting anyone as a matter of fact, i said 'womanly experiences', because that's what it's called when you get killed by bandits constantly and complain about it, without knowing the nature of the mod.

learn the nature of the mod, learn that the persistent world is a TOUGH world. you should stop taking what i say so personally, it has nothing to do with the fact that you yourself are a female.

so stop thinking that i'm insulting you, stop taking what i say personally. stop arguing with me also; i could care less about your experiences and how you've been killed.

i may sound mean, but i am certainly not a troll.

[BenFree]

That's a nice way to argue "stop arguing with me, I couldn't care less" That's quite the counterpoint! I do believe that can win every argument! 

[Alex_C]

often someone will write an argument, ill quote the part i feel i need to rebut and then, instead of making some trite, bigoted joke (lol wtf), i will rebut it. sensible debate? i'm not here to debate sensibly. i'm johnno, mate. get used to it. _sooner_ than later, preferable

Often you'll do that, often you won't. Also, if you don't understand what a trite, bigoted joke is: http://dictionary.reference.com/

now you're telling me i've dropped my realism argument, when FIRST OF ALL i wasn't arguing realism at all, i was showing the similarities between real life and this mod. have i dropped that? no i haven't i still believe strongly in what i said, and you're telling me i don't? that i've dropped that? christ son you need to read my posts more thoroughly (or actually read them) because from what you've been saying it sounds like you haven't even bothered to comprehend what i'm saying.

If the fact that there are similarities has no impact, then what does it bring to the argument?

it shows, when you label me as a troll, lol? how so? because i dropped in a 'u mad?' a few times? CHIRST son, if you think thats trolling, stay away from 4chan. get rid of this 'he said something i dont like so its trolling' mentality.

Firstly, it isn't the 'u mad?' that's what makes me think you're a troll, it's the (see above) trite, bigoted jokes.
Something you don't seem to understand is that one can still be a troll, even if there's worse trolls out there, what you're saying is a bit like someone saying 'You think I'm a racist, you clearly haven't heard of the Holocaust.'

we don't have to go into realism _over_ gameplay, this mod has proven to be very fun for people who aren't sheep like yourself, and the few others who complain about being killed by bandits or whatever their womanly experiences are.

We don't have to go into realism over gameplay? I'm pretty certain we do as it's vital to arguments over server-imposed rules. Also, there we go again with the tiresome misogyny.

there are no rules in this mod

Firstly, just because something is currently the case does not mean it can not (and perhaps should not) change in the future. Secondly, the mod is a different thing from servers running the mod. A server-owner can do as they see fit with this mod regarding rules.

Again, try to be more articulate, a lot of what you say is rather unclear.

EDIT: Another post full of blatant and disgusting sexism. Just keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself Used.