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Re: Screenshot Thread: Post all your Screenies Here!
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2010, 04:40:49 PM »
That means there were absolutely no two handed swords in the are at the time? I know that Asians were using them, which could've spread to the Mongols, and by extension, Europe. Not widespread, but possibly there.

And, by extension, Nubia, the Songhays and South Africa? That's not a valid argument.

Besides, two handed Chinese weapons were not anything like Western two-handed swords. Two-handed swords were not deveolped in the Christian West around 1200, but we left them for the character to play "I can buy the most advances war technology of the time". I'm not really against it...

Im not saying that they were everywhere in the world, but that there was continuous military contact with the areas I described.

The Mongols weren't even in Crimea, Khwarezm or Persia in 1200. This contact you say existed, but it didn't work that way. If so, military equipment, traditions, techniques and weaponry would be much more uniform in Eurasia, and as you know, it was even amazingly different in France compared to the Empire of the Romans.

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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2010, 04:42:23 PM »
Thats just stupid. That would make us able to make guns as well, China had gunpowder in 1200 as you know.

Besides, Mongols were nowhere near Europe in 1200.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2010, 04:53:16 PM »
ken i haz rockets? they wur in mediaval total war and dats realy akurate cuz ppl cud travl so id like rockts dat shoot dawn walls and maybe we cud do a bazooka but it wud cost really much cuz its like super hard 2 make! like 3.000 goldz?

dat wud be awesom also id like plate armor 4 lords cuz dey cud afford teh best thank u!

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2010, 04:54:15 PM »
Never mind. I was just trying to say that two handed swords were possible. Sorry for breathing on your thread here.
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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2010, 05:08:31 PM »
Never mind. I was just trying to say that two handed swords were possible. Sorry for breathing on your thread here.

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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2010, 08:33:43 PM »
No fergagorn, there wasn't any two handed sword in Europe of the year 1200.

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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2010, 08:35:57 PM »
Yes, I believe that has been established mr Al_Magnagsur.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2010, 09:55:05 PM »
Thats just stupid. That would make us able to make guns as well, China had gunpowder in 1200 as you know.

Besides, Mongols were nowhere near Europe in 1200.

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don't want to thunder this discussion (also it's funny to read^^), but i have to correct your statement in one point... guns and gunpowder are two completely different things =)

Guns were not invented in Asia nor in this time.

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« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2010, 02:22:34 AM »
Maybe you're right, the term "gun" as we understand today (in CS or any shooting game you played), weren't invented in China in 1200. But if we understand the "gun" as a device that can shoot projectiles by using gunpowder, then it has long been developed in Asia.

More accurately, if you insist, proto-gun or proto-arquebus devices had been invented in China since the Han dynasty, which exist until the 5th century AD. And, you know that the Song dynasty has firelance and thunder-bomber (it look like modern grenade, but the method is much more like field mines), and more important the fire cannon, which was a tube made oif bamboo filled with gunpowder which, when fired, threw a flaming missile towards the enemy.

Well, I'm an Asian, so I might be an expert in their history.
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2010, 04:05:35 AM »
Well, I'm an Asian, so I might be an expert in their history.

I really hope that's just poorly constructed English, if not, it means that according to your logic, all our resident serbians are experts on serbian history :P

Do you mean that you are asian AND an expert on asian history, or that being asian makes you an expert on asian history?

Also, do you have any sources for these devices you talk about? If so i'd love to see them, not being a dick i'm just genuinely curious.

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2010, 09:05:10 AM »
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I really hope that's just poorly constructed English, if not, it means that according to your logic, all our resident serbians are experts on serbian history.

Notice the word "might be". I research much about Asian history, not everyone in Asia. The same coud be said to Serbian. :D
 
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Do you mean that you are asian AND an expert on asian history, or that being asian makes you an expert on asian history?

The first is more accurate (I don't really think I should use the term "expert", it seems a little overestimate), although that being an Asian could make you easier to become an expert on its history.

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Also, do you have any sources for these devices you talk about? If so i'd love to see them, not being a dick i'm just genuinely curious.

Of course, I read these in my book, but I don't know if there are some source on the Internet. Also I don't know what kind of source you want to know, like document or picture?

There is one document on wiki, which I find it accurate. Although it is recorded in 1231, but generally mine had been invented before.

The first accounts of bombs made of cast iron shells packed with explosive gunpowder—as opposed to earlier types of castings—was written in the 13th century in China. The term was coined for this bomb (i.e. "thunder-crash bomb") during a Jin Dynasty (1115–1234) naval battle of 1231 against the Mongols. The History of Jin (compiled by 1345) states that in 1232, as the Mongol general Subutai (1176–1248) descended on the Jin stronghold of Kaifeng, the defenders had a "thunder-crash bomb" which "consisted of gunpowder put into an iron container...then when the fuse was lit (and the projectile shot off) there was a great explosion the noise whereof was like thunder, audible for more than a hundred li, and the vegetation was scorched and blasted by the heat over an area of more than half a mou. When hit, even iron armour was quite pierced through."

Another one on timelineindex.com

"Gunpowder, reportedly produced from saltpetre, sulphur and charcoal, is a Chinese invention. Earliest records of the formula date to the 800s. The Chinese used gunpowder to propel rockets, and to produce incendiary and explosive projectiles thrown by catapult. By the 1200s, a Chinese Bureau of Munitions was operating seven factories that produced 7,000 rockets and 21,000 bombs a day. The weaponry included a so-called "thunder-crash bomb", which the Chinese unleashed in 1232 on Mongol troops besieging Kaifeng, capital of the north Chinese Jin Empire. During the later years of the 13th century, the Chinese invented cannons, using gunpowder to fire projectiles from metal barrels."

You can read about fire lance on Wikipedia. But overall, they contain the same definition like this.

"The pear-flower spear or li hua ch'iang was an early form of fire lance, that is a spear like weapon combining a long spear with a simple firework like charge at the end underneath the spear head. The firework would shoot out a small projectile or poison along with the flame. The weapon had a range of only a few feet so was used in close combat and was a key stage in the development of the firearm. The first fire-lances were seen in China during the 10th century but by about 1260 they had developed into a variety of forms and although normally associated with peasant rebels regular Sung troops also used them, their use by cavalry being described at the siege of Yangchow in 1276. They were cheap and popular for several centuries sometimes being used in racks to defend cities and remained in use until well after the Ming period. The development of gunpowder in the fire lance to have enough force to hurl a killing projectile was a key step along the development of the first true guns."

If you want some proof, then in this image. (Sorry it's kinda small) Notice the upper right corner, the demon with red loincloth carrying a fire lance, while the lower demon holding a early grenade (exploding device). This picture is a photo of a silk painting in Dunhuang, dating around 10th century, in the Tang dynasty.

http://kaleidoscope.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/upfiles/2008-12/08/fire_lance08d3d9e86fc3208d36ed.jpg

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2010, 09:35:14 AM »
although that being an Asia could make you easier to become an expert on its history.
I partially concur. It's indeed logical that being an Asian or Serbian or something else less mainstream would make you more knowledgeable about it than an average foreigner (as in from a different group that has little contacts with your own, f.e. "non-East-Asian", "non-Balkaner" etc). Still, becoming an expert is not about where you're from, but whether you are interested in researching that area and the only advantage the natives have in this case is that they don't have a language-and-culture barrier. Otherwise, if let's say, a Spaniard gets genuinely interested in Balkan history and starts researching it more seriously, he could become as much of an expert as any local one (or even more); it would just be a bit harder for him due to the language differences (and the usually minimal ammount of English (and even more minimal ammount of Spanish or other, I presume) literature on the matter, which even gets outdated more easily).
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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2010, 09:42:35 AM »
Indeed, everyone can research other area history if they truly interested.

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Re: Screenshot Thread: Post all your Screenies Here!
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2010, 09:03:14 PM »
yeah yeah guys this is a SCREENSHOT thread not a screenshot discussion thread :P

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Re: Screenshot Thread: Post all your Screenies Here!
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2010, 09:13:36 PM »
So, come on everybody, post some screenshot!

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