Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

[Si-A-erra.]

No it comes from Yakult, the yogurt. do some research!

[Kormin]

Moscow was a Turkic city between 1243-1502. It gradually changed into Ex-Turk. (the time between 1243 and 1502 was just a dying sparkle)

Taken from Wiki:

The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgorukiy and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality.

In 1156, Knjaz Yury Dolgoruky fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat. In the course of the Mongol invasion of Rus, the Golden Horde burned the city to the ground and killed its inhabitants.

The timber fort na Moskvě "on the Moscow river" was inherited by Daniel, the youngest son of Alexander Nevsky, in the 1260s, at the time considered the least valuable of his father's possessions

So it wasn't a city, at most it was a fortified town. which was destroyed by the mongols, so its safe to assume that the majority of the population was slaughtered...therefore it was no longer a city or town but a ruin. 

Dying sparkle? what? it was only founded a century before hand, and it is still around today. so what is this dying sparkle?

Like the rest of the Europe... But people always remained that were aware of their Turkic identity.

first lets ask the Europeans about their Turk identities...
Second: moscow was first settled by Varangians, a couple other Slavic tribes, and then the Volga Bulgars. so plenty of other people have a claim.

Russians or Eurasians were never Latin. They were Latinized as a result of a huge genocide of unbelievable proportion.

I don't believe that their language is based on Latin...sooooooo, they still aren't "Latinized".
and where are the bodies of this "huge genocide of unbelievable proportion", without the bodies there is no crime, and was no genocide.

[Swordmaster]

He just said the city was Turkic just by finding the first prince of Vladimir's mother was a Kipchak princess, and also it was under control of the Golden Horde for some time. But as you have said, the inhabitants were not Turkic.

[jepekula]

Moscow was a Turkic city between 1243-1502. It gradually changed into Ex-Turk. (the time between 1243 and 1502 was just a dying sparkle)

Taken from Wiki:

The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgorukiy and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality.

In 1156, Knjaz Yury Dolgoruky fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat. In the course of the Mongol invasion of Rus, the Golden Horde burned the city to the ground and killed its inhabitants.

The timber fort na Moskvě "on the Moscow river" was inherited by Daniel, the youngest son of Alexander Nevsky, in the 1260s, at the time considered the least valuable of his father's possessions

So it wasn't a city, at most it was a fortified town. which was destroyed by the mongols, so its safe to assume that the majority of the population was slaughtered...therefore it was no longer a city or town but a ruin. 

Dying sparkle? what? it was only founded a century before hand, and it is still around today. so what is this dying sparkle?

Like the rest of the Europe... But people always remained that were aware of their Turkic identity.

first lets ask the Europeans about their Turk identities...
Second: moscow was first settled by Varangians, a couple other Slavic tribes, and then the Volga Bulgars. so plenty of other people have a claim.

Russians or Eurasians were never Latin. They were Latinized as a result of a huge genocide of unbelievable proportion.

I don't believe that their language is based on Latin...sooooooo, they still aren't "Latinized".
and where are the bodies of this "huge genocide of unbelievable proportion", without the bodies there is no crime, and was no genocide.

That means mongols, who were evil antiturkic half ponies who hated the turks burned down their greatest cities, like Moscow and Atlantis.

[Pachinko]

Moscow was a Turkic city between 1243-1502. It gradually changed into Ex-Turk. (the time between 1243 and 1502 was just a dying sparkle)

Taken from Wiki:

The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgorukiy and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality.

In 1156, Knjaz Yury Dolgoruky fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat. In the course of the Mongol invasion of Rus, the Golden Horde burned the city to the ground and killed its inhabitants.

The timber fort na Moskvě "on the Moscow river" was inherited by Daniel, the youngest son of Alexander Nevsky, in the 1260s, at the time considered the least valuable of his father's possessions

So it wasn't a city, at most it was a fortified town. which was destroyed by the mongols, so its safe to assume that the majority of the population was slaughtered...therefore it was no longer a city or town but a ruin. 

Dying sparkle? what? it was only founded a century before hand, and it is still around today. so what is this dying sparkle?

Like the rest of the Europe... But people always remained that were aware of their Turkic identity.

first lets ask the Europeans about their Turk identities...
Second: moscow was first settled by Varangians, a couple other Slavic tribes, and then the Volga Bulgars. so plenty of other people have a claim.

Russians or Eurasians were never Latin. They were Latinized as a result of a huge genocide of unbelievable proportion.

I don't believe that their language is based on Latin...sooooooo, they still aren't "Latinized".
and where are the bodies of this "huge genocide of unbelievable proportion", without the bodies there is no crime, and was no genocide.

That means mongols, who were evil antiturkic half ponies who hated the turks burned down their greatest cities, like Moscow and Atlantis.

No, you're wrong, actually Mongols were the rebellious gnomes who once used to live in the great ancient Turkic empire, mining Easter Eggs, and they rebelled against their masters when some of them were teased by a Turk official to be hideous anti-Easter Egg-bunnies, who stole the eggs their cousins used to make.

[ancalimon]

Moscow was a Turkic city between 1243-1502. It gradually changed into Ex-Turk. (the time between 1243 and 1502 was just a dying sparkle)

Taken from Wiki:

The first reference to Moscow dates from 1147 as a meeting place of Yuri Dolgorukiy and Sviatoslav Olgovich. At the time it was a minor town on the western border of Vladimir-Suzdal Principality.

In 1156, Knjaz Yury Dolgoruky fortified the town with a timber fence and a moat. In the course of the Mongol invasion of Rus, the Golden Horde burned the city to the ground and killed its inhabitants.

The timber fort na Moskvě "on the Moscow river" was inherited by Daniel, the youngest son of Alexander Nevsky, in the 1260s, at the time considered the least valuable of his father's possessions

So it wasn't a city, at most it was a fortified town. which was destroyed by the mongols, so its safe to assume that the majority of the population was slaughtered...therefore it was no longer a city or town but a ruin. 

Dying sparkle? what? it was only founded a century before hand, and it is still around today. so what is this dying sparkle?

Like the rest of the Europe... But people always remained that were aware of their Turkic identity.

first lets ask the Europeans about their Turk identities...
Second: moscow was first settled by Varangians, a couple other Slavic tribes, and then the Volga Bulgars. so plenty of other people have a claim.

Russians or Eurasians were never Latin. They were Latinized as a result of a huge genocide of unbelievable proportion.

I don't believe that their language is based on Latin...sooooooo, they still aren't "Latinized".
and where are the bodies of this "huge genocide of unbelievable proportion", without the bodies there is no crime, and was no genocide.

1-) Russia history is older than what is officially written by Russians. Tell me what a Romanov is. Tell me how they poisoned the Turks ruling those lands.
2-) Varangians are a mix of Turks and Scandinavians.  They are "land renters" and definitely related to English. Maybe relayed to Turkic "ang" meaning "booty"
3-) The genocide is mostly a cultural genocide which was continued by Stalinist Russia and Hitler's Germany on par with the added "killings". The "Jews" in Germany were simply Turks.

Basicly Turks were the medium between world languages from the start.  That's why Arabs called translators as Tercüman which comes from "Türkomen".

My theory is that translator is a compressed Turkic sentence. "turan söyle eter" :
Turan: related to Tur people. basic meaning of "to come back". Related to "tura" which is the picture of the ruler on the back of coins. The coin always comes back to the ruler.
Söyle: say, speak
eter: "he does this thing"

(so any English word ending with "ator", "etor", ... actually carries the meaning of "he does this thing...  The first vowel stands for Turkic O meaning he,she,it. The second "to" (which is related with "to do") is a corrupted form of Turkic te, to, ta, tu suffix which gives the word the meaning of "does, do".  The last "R" letter stands for Turkic suffix giving the word the meaning of "his existence is for doing xxx" (Turkish eder< from Proto language "esi er"). If that R is omitted than we are left with "may he do~ to exists as xxx" (ede< esi)

Basically this word is related to "trans", "through" and even "true".  These are all related with Turks being the carrier of civilization to rest of the world and than carrying the corrupted languages of the world back to Asia. Naturally they had the ability to speak both the true proto language which is Turkic and the rest of the made up languages of the world. In my opinion most of these people were the clergy that did the corrupting in the first place.

Since the word Tur or Turk itself is related with "descended being", "a being transferred to a body", "a being with töre" (meaning someone true), "someone with the ability to travel", most of these words (even including travel) are related with the word TURK itself.

[Eiríkr Rauði]

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[Kormin]

1-) Russia history is older than what is officially written by Russians. Tell me what a Romanov is. Tell me how they poisoned the Turks ruling those lands.
2-) Varangians are a mix of Turks and Scandinavians.  They are "land renters" and definitely related to English.
3-) The genocide is mostly a cultural genocide which was continued by Stalinist Russia and Hitler's Germany on par with the added "killings". The "Jews" in Germany were simply Turks.

I'm ignoring the language stuff since i don't know a thing about the turk language

1-House Romanov. the last dynasty to rule over imperial Russia, the guys who took power in 1613 and ruled until 1917.

2-No the Varangians were blond haired vikings, to use the stereotype.  their tribe started in the Baltic region and then did the typical Scandinavian thing of raiding/trading the world, I guess l intermarrying thing happened after the Volga Bulgars showed up at Moscow, but that would make them Russian not Turkic or Scandie at that point.

3-

I'm not the one who came up with the idea of "Space Turk". So here I give you something to start with and stop with the space Turk thing already. Apparently Nazis were the first people to meddle with this space Turk idea. Too bad out of all those Turks that were invited to Germany, none turned out to be the special case.

so first the Turks were invited to Germany to help with this space thingy, Now the Holocaust was a way of hiding the fact that Hitler was killing Turks...

[ancalimon]

1-) Russia history is older than what is officially written by Russians. Tell me what a Romanov is. Tell me how they poisoned the Turks ruling those lands.
2-) Varangians are a mix of Turks and Scandinavians.  They are "land renters" and definitely related to English.
3-) The genocide is mostly a cultural genocide which was continued by Stalinist Russia and Hitler's Germany on par with the added "killings". The "Jews" in Germany were simply Turks.

I'm ignoring the language stuff since i don't know a thing about the turk language

2-No the Varangians were blond haired vikings, to use the stereotype.  their tribe started in the Baltic region and then did the typical Scandinavian thing of raiding/trading the world, I guess l intermarrying thing happened after the Volga Bulgars showed up at Moscow, but that would make them Russian not Turkic or Scandie at that point.

So.. Cumans, Khazarians, Kıpchaks were blond too.  Bulgars were Turkic Ogurs (related to Oghuz Turks)

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/btn_Archeology/FauxDKGeneticLinkOfVikingEn.htm

You know what?  Give the people a few cool gods and mythology... And they will all forget about their past and start playing computer games and read frp books.

[Kormin]

A very interesting read to be sure, but he doesn't use any references so it is frankly impossible to check that what he says is factual. if he is a doctor he would know that and he would do proper in text citations and have a bibliography, yes I red the whole thing, and yes I went a checked his original page.

He is a real person (I've checked that), he does have his doctorate in the fields he says he does (once again I looked), and he did work where he says he did. the fact remains that he broke the number one rule of writing a intellectual document which is reference everything, I couldn't use it in school, I couldn't use it in court, the only place it can be used is in a debate such as this.

so I dismiss it, simple as that, without the proper citations you might as well wipe your bum on it.

[Ule]

1-) Russia history is older than what is officially written by Russians. Tell me what a Romanov is. Tell me how they poisoned the Turks ruling those lands.
2-) Varangians are a mix of Turks and Scandinavians.  They are "land renters" and definitely related to English. Maybe relayed to Turkic "ang" meaning "booty"
3-) The genocide is mostly a cultural genocide which was continued by Stalinist Russia and Hitler's Germany on par with the added "killings". The "Jews" in Germany were simply Turks.

oh my, you really dont know anything other turk is word do you?

1). Russian! no bodies denying that russia as an entity is quite young. no body is denying that there were turkic, not turk, but turkic, tirbes in that area,dickhead.

2) varagrains, werent a tribe. the orginal varagrians, were mostly swedish vikings who instead of going east to britian and europe went south though the baltic to the big city, they are described as blond because most nords were blond, not becuase they were turks with lighter skin, *******. and they the varagrians gave birth to the Rus by interbreeding with the slavs, making nord/slav babies by way of putting thier penises into lady slavs vaginas. and by the way they were born thier daddys, the guys with the penies, often had power in that area, the babies became a sort of nobilty, who called themselves the Rus, thus we have the nation of russian. donkey raper.

3) a cultural genocide? you realy are a **** tard, like the biggest **** tard in the history of fucktardation, your the ******** emperor penguin of the ******* empire. infact your such a ******* im not even going to tell you how much of a ******* thing it is youve said becuase to do so would be to handle something that is is so fucktarded is amazingly *******, you *******.

ps, your a *******

[ancalimon]

There is a huge fallacy to what "Indo-European" or "European looking" is in reality.

The Scythian People Prior to the Emergence of the Huns – Various Hunnish peoples of Scythian origin have come thundering across the Russian Steepes and into Europe in successive waves, following the old “Silk Road” of commerce between west and east.
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Historical atlases show the movement of supposed Indo – European speaking peoples from the Ukraine, the purported home of the Kurgan Culture of nomads who revered the horse, into the Russian Steepes beyond the Caspian and Aral Seas probably long before 2750 BC. Then by 1575 BC the “Aryans” moved south into India, and also directly east toward the Altai. Those east of the Caspian Sea were known as Scyths by 1275 BC, and the closely connected Cimmerians resided north of the Black Sea. Between 820 BC and 670 BC the Scyths had replaced the Cimmerians (who moved south of the Black Sea), and also occupied the shores of the Caspian Sea. Little is known at this time about the peoples to the Far East, but based on the archaeological evidence it is safe to assume that the Scythian empire stretched from the Altai to the Black Sea. There is, however, entirely insufficient evidence to warrant asserting that the ancestors of all the Altai peoples were Indo – Europeans from the east (from the west?). The genetic evidence shows that many of the peoples in that region are indigenous to Central Asia and that there were likely movements of people east to west and west to east such that genetic markers from the Middle East and the Far East also show up in the Altai.

From the viewpoint of physical anthropology, the peoples of Mongolia and China during the time periods under discussion may have born scant resemblance to the peoples living in these regions today. Perhaps the most compelling evidence is the physical appearance of the “Mummies of the Tarim Basin”. The native people of this region today are the Kazaks and more particularly the Uygurs, who are a Turkic – speaking group with Europoid and Mongoloid features (see later discussion in section on the Huns for more about the Uugurs  (I.e. Uigurs)). They reside in the Chinese province of Xinjiang (New Land). At the time that the Tarim Basin was settled about 2000 BC, the consensus is that they were and Indo – European people who spoke Tocharian (i.e on Kuchean), which, according to linguists working with texts dated from the 6th to the 8th Centuries, was “Proto – Celtic” as were the people who wrote them. Kimball – Davis, a well – know archaeologist of the region speaks also of the grave goods found with the Tarim mummies (circa 2000 to 500 BC) including cloth whose “patterns, colors, and weave mimic those of modern Scottish tartans” (p. 149).

Kimball - Davis reports that the physical features of these people who had arrived in the Tarim Basin about 2000 BC are decidedly “European – like” (e.g., p. 144), including their stature, up to 6 foot 6 inches in a male, and 6 feet tall in a woman; and “plaited reddish – brown hair” (p. 151). These well preserved bodies from the Tarim Basin were the subject of a Nova documentary entitled, “Mysterious Mummies of China” (p. 153).

How macabre are these self-adoring confusions is seen from the terminology and examples: “European – like” means “Caucasian anthropological race”, but is used to imply the Indo–European linguistic affiliation and European geographical typology, a pure nonsense. The “European – like” height of 198 and 192 cm respectively is another nonsense, it is well-known that Europeans were small, the Roman men were about 5'2'' ~ 158 cm, and Slavic men were even tinier, 5 feet ~ 153 cm, and so on. The “European – like” plaited hair is another nonsense, all Classical historians noted the weird plaited hairdos of the nomadic horsemen, some even noted as certifiedly Türkic, as opposed to the “civilized” hairdos of the sedentary people. And any non-blind person can tell you that Indo-Iranian “Arians” are brunettes, not of reddish–brown hue. It is the northern people, like the Türks and the Finns and the Scandinavians that have lighter hair and lighter eyes. The Slavs, for that matter, with the Finnic blood in their veins, are lighter-haired, and those of the southern and western belt are typical brunettes, and the Slavic descendents of the old Eastern Siberians look indistinguishable from their Mongoloidish aborigine  brunette neighbors. Except that they are not Mongoloid, nothing in the Tarim Mummies points to “European–likeness”. The ideas of the “White-haired Herrenrasse Beast” as a real European committed suicide at the end of the WWII.

Further evidence as to what these people may have looked like in life is found in on the walls of caves in the nearby foothills west of Korla (Center of East Turkestan) where the art shows men with blue or green eyes with red or blond hair and beards and dressed in a manner similar to the Sassanians of Iran. The inscriptions in the caves are in Tocharian (i.e on Kuchean). Descriptions of the people residing in this region are available from Chinese sources as reported by Kimball – Davis and others. The upshot is that the people being described, who were residing on the steppes and known as Alans and Sarmatians (for example), appear to be mixed (with some Mongolian features). However, it would appear that they might have been largely indistinguishable from Scandinavians of today.
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By 600 BC the Medes had driven the Scythians back east to the Pontic Steepes south of the Black Sea. A short time later, in 514 BC, the Persian King Darius decided to invade the homeland of the Scythians but failed since the Scythians merely retreated leaving nothing to destroy. Thus there was a movement to the west after this event, and by the 3rd Century BC these people were installed between the Don and Danube Rivers. There were distinct groups of Scythians at this time, largely based on how sedentary they were.

The Royal families of the Scythians were true nomads, and their homeland was the Steepes of the Azov Sea and both banks of the Dnieper River. Also at this time the nomadic Scythians also occupied the Altai Region of Siberia near the Mongolian border.

They were known as the Kindred Scythians or the Eastern Scythians. It is these people who would later move west to displace their cousins in the area of the Black Sea.

It is among the latter groups from the Altai whence came the Sarmatians, a Scythian people who by 415 BC were resident east of the Don River and north of the Caspian Sea. By 192 BC this group had crossed the Don and drove the Scyths to the Danube Delta and the Crimea.

By 145 BC the Sarmatians had divided into the Alans, the Roxolani, and furthest west the Jazyges located between the Dnieper and Don Rivers. When 79 AD dawned, all three groups had pushed west, with the Jazyges finding a home on the Hungarian Steepes. At about the same time the Goths were moving from southern Sweden to begin a relentless drive southward. By the year 230 the Jazyges were surrounded by various Germanic tribes, with their closest neighbors being the Vandals. The Roxalani were installed between the Don and Dneiper Rivers, with the Alans immediately east of the Don River and from the Black Sea to the northern quarter of the Caspian Sea. Also, at this time the Goths had carved out a large territory along both sides of the Danube River and to the north of the Black Sea. By 305 they had completely absorbed the territory of the Roxolani (and likely the people themselves), the middle group of Scythian Sarmatians, and bringing them into contact with the Alans, the upper most group of Sarmatians at the River Don. As early as 268 Byzantine sources recorded that huge fleets of pirates (up to 2000 ships) were manned by Sarmatians and / or Goths and were practicing the “art” of piracy; thus their raiding could be via horse of ship clearly providing them with more options. This habit may have been kept alive until the dawn of the Viking – Age. However, the age of the Huns, distant cousins to those peoples, was about to arrive.

The above information was presented in some detail since it is likely that the group that made its way to Scandinavia in the 5th Century was a mélange, composed of Alans, Huns, and Goths. However, before examining the dramatic incursions that brought the Huns to the doorstep of the Alans, also known as Ases to Turkic peoples and the Wu Sun to the Chinese scribes (see also Bachrach, 1973), it is important to explore how a Scandinavia group with roots in Sweden came to reside as far east as the Don River creating an interface between peoples of very different origins.

[Kormin]

and what is the authors citation for such a claim? 

no matter how hard you waffle and bluster the fact remains that Europeans have very recognizable features and would never be mistaken for being Asain, African, or Indian.

@Ule

your the ******** emperor penguin of the ******* empire

that line is the funniest thing I've read all day

[Ule]

There is a huge fallacy to what "Indo-European" or "European looking" is in reality.

BLAH

sounds like some mudblood impure turk *********** is suffering a case of butthurt (i now use this phase much) that he doesnt look like a proper european coz hes a dirty subhuman


hahaha... that sounds bad.. haha it is, suck on that **** tard!

[Swordmaster]

3) a cultural genocide? you realy are a **** tard, like the biggest **** tard in the history of fucktardation, your the ******** emperor penguin of the ******* empire. infact your such a ******* im not even going to tell you how much of a ******* thing it is youve said becuase to do so would be to handle something that is is so fucktarded is amazingly *******, you *******.

Cultural assimilation is a fact. No country can deny it. And please, do use a kind way of bashing people, you are being rude.