Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

[Bertanx]

@war300, my friend, you can't stop arguing about these things, can you?
For the others, I didn't read the comments, but I will just say a few things and leave this god damn thread.
I know that most of Europeans and Americans see Muslims as terrorists. Well, there ARE lots of Muslim terrorists. But if you think closely, you will see that 95% of them are Arabs. You shouldn't think like every Muslim nation is full of terrorists, and such...Islam is the religion of peace, but just because some Arabian shitheads are not peaceful, you can't hold all Muslims responsible for their idiocity. (By the way, again I'm not claiming all Arabs are terrorists, I say there are some Arabian terrorists, don't confuse these.)

Also, in Turkey, everyone has toleration for others' beliefs, there is no pressure unlike you see in the news.

To be honest, if I was a Christian and saw pictures like the ones below, I would definetely avoid Islam. But as I mentioned above, you can't hold everyone responsible for invidual shitheads.

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P.S: There are no Turkish terrorists...Don't forget this.

[Ule]

i have heard that the turkish way of worhshiping islam is very different to say saudi arabia, something about a sect that dances as a way of praying?

also that the president cant be a muslim?

i sure i remember something like that (from micheal palins new europe)

[war300]

i have heard that the turkish way of worhshiping islam is very different to say saudi arabia, something about a sect that dances as a way of praying?

Yes, they differ in several ways...

also that the president cant be a muslim?
i sure i remember something like that (from micheal palins new europe)

Whose president?

[ancalimon]

i have heard that the turkish way of worhshiping islam is very different to say saudi arabia, something about a sect that dances as a way of praying?

Yes, they differ in several ways...

also that the president cant be a muslim?
i sure i remember something like that (from micheal palins new europe)

Whose president?

Turkey is a secular country. As a rule of thumb, most Turkic countries were somewhat secular (apart from Iran where Persians are rulers with the help of America and Russia). It's part of the culture. In old times, the ruler never interfered with religion. But never did anything without consulting töre (religious-cultural laws) either. There are exceptions like Ottoman Empire but I see them as a failed Turkic experiment.

Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:

1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.

Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

2-)
Arabs identify themselves with being Muslim

Turks mostly are not religious. (meaning they don't hold religion above who they are)

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

4-)
Arabs are conservative
Turks express their religious ideas in different ways

[Swordmaster]

Secularism started in Turkey with the abolishing of Caliphate and sects. The only order that is still recognised is the Mevlevi order, which promised the government not to interfere with anything in their reforms. In history, almost every Arabic country/nation followed a leader with religious title, so I think they're still under that influence, that most of their governments make law that fits in Sharia teachings.

Also with the caliphate gone, there's no head of religion in Islam, as it is like the Pope. Near the demise of the Ottoman Empire, Sultan Abdulmecid passed a law that granted non-Muslim citizens equal rights as muslims, and reforms similiar to that continued even after the dissolution of the empire, so with that, Turkey didn't have as much problems as turning to a more secular country as the other muslim countries that are trying to be right now.

[Fooshie]

Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:

1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.

Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

Both lies from a racist **** with a superiority complex.

[ancalimon]

Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:

1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.

Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

Both lies from a racist **** with a superiority complex.

It's apparent that you never went to Arabia and study their culture.

I think they're still under that influence, that most of their governments make law that fits in Sharia teachings.

And sharia teachings come from Hammurabi laws and has got nothing to do with Islam.

[war300]

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Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:
1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.
Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

He is not only the prophet of Arabs but also the prophet of all humanity. Those Arabs adopted wahhabism which is a heretical sect of Islam such as Assassins, Ahmadiyya. The founder of the sect, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, The Britain government used him and the others like him as tools to eradicate Islamic Ottoman assets in the region. Who he was is told in detail in the famous British spy Hempher's book named "confessions of a British spy." Wait, there is more than this. They're building zam-zam towers and watching the Kaaba from above. Although our ancestors, Ottomans were very respectful to Kaaba, those sons of the/opps... will soon bulldoze Kaaba. They're like this;

2-)
Arabs identify themselves with being Muslim
Turks mostly are not religious. (meaning they don't hold religion above who they are)

Oh, wait. I was thinking the religious fellowship is stronger than the nationalist one. Religion can unite two different nations but nationalism would separate them. Both religious fellowship and national identity are important to me.

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

*sigh*

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

Feel the difference...

4-)
Arabs are conservative
Turks express their religious ideas in different ways

I don't know if this one is correct...

Secularism started in Turkey with the abolishing of Caliphate and sects. The only order that is still recognised is the Mevlevi order, which promised the government not to interfere with anything in their reforms. In history, almost every Arabic country/nation followed a leader with religious title, so I think they're still under that influence, that most of their governments make law that fits in Sharia teachings. Also with the caliphate gone, there's no head of religion in Islam, as it is like the Pope. Near the demise of the Ottoman Empire, Sultan Abdulmecid passed a law that granted non-Muslim citizens equal rights as muslims, and reforms similiar to that continued even after the dissolution of the empire, so with that, Turkey didn't have as much problems as turning to a more secular country as the other muslim countries that are trying to be right now.

In fact, Britain government wanted us to abolish the caliphate. It was such a pain in their asses(forgive me my Lord) and they relaxed after 1924. I think if we didn't abolish the caliphate, we could use it against imperialists but it's too late.

[Swordmaster]

In fact, Britain government wanted us to abolish the caliphate. It was such a pain in their asses(forgive me my Lord) and they relaxed after 1924. I think if we didn't abolish the caliphate, we could use it against imperialists but it's too late.

If the government didn't abolish the caliphate, our lands would've seen more chaos and bloodshed. If you think it's the British that influenced us, then you are wrong. If the caliphate hadn't been abolished, they would have an ally, the caliph, willfully agreeing upon the protectorate of the British to see his lands, the empire, the throne and his long banished family to be restored to its former "glory".

I'd rather deal with my own problems where the newly formed Republic still under many dangers, than to give spiritual charity and "awakening".

And sharia teachings come from Hammurabi laws and has got nothing to do with Islam.

Partially correct, but hardly true. Hammurabi laws were harsh, and they still hold some influence over Sharia teachings, in Iran, Saudia Arabia and maybe in Libya. But other than that, it hold no influence in other countries. Sharia laws have nothing to with Hammurabi's actually. And now that you are certain, you should also know Ottoman Empire had also Sharia law.

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[Danik]

Islamophobia is such a hilarious word. Why should a small fundamentalist minority decide the laws instead of the majority, and call it discrimination if the government denies that? As Islamists are guests in Europe they should be happy with the fact that they have equal rights as the others, instead of trying to get priveleges or taking over a country - because Christians don't have that in fundamentalist countries. So if I don't want Koran to be the constitution of my country, practically I'm islamophobe?

[ancalimon]

And sharia teachings come from Hammurabi laws and has got nothing to do with Islam.

Partially correct, but hardly true. Hammurabi laws were harsh, and they still hold some influence over Sharia teachings, in Iran, Saudia Arabia and maybe in Libya. But other than that, it hold no influence in other countries. Sharia laws have nothing to with Hammurabi's actually. And now that you are certain, you should also know Ottoman Empire had also Sharia law.

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Actually something extremely stupid happened. After sometime for some reason, people started to identify Hammurabi Laws as Islamic laws. Arabic culture (most of which was not Arabic in origin) simply became part of Islamic culture. That's why we can see (for example) Muslim American Africans wearing that towel thingy cloth that Arabs wear. Islam simply faced the same evil with other religions before it faced. It became a tool for cultural imperialism. The only thing that was kept in its original form was Quran unlike other religions. But that doesn't mean anything because the language to understand it got extremely corrupted.

It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

How could a culture be "correct"?!

  Such a culture that follows the teachings of Qur'an, of course.

Jeebus.

I think he meant "true culture" (it comes from doğru kül töre.  You see Trg in the past was not about a race or an ethnicity but it meant "people of the law". And this law included the first religion in it which was not institutionalized). It's got nothing to do with following Islam as we know it today. It's about following laws and living according to laws without any police force forcing people to be true to these laws.

[Fooshie]

Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:

1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.

Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

Both lies from a racist **** with a superiority complex.

It's apparent that you never went to Arabia and study their culture.

Nope never went to study their culture, I just LIVED AMONG THEM FOR YEARS.

[ancalimon]

Most of the Islamic differences between Arabs and Turks are as follows:

1-)
Arabs don't have distinguished graves. They bury the dead and forget about it. It's not known where the buried person is. For example despite Muhammed being the prophet of Arabs, they have bulldozed the graves of his relatives.

Turks pay great respect to dead and visit graves occasionally.

3-)
Arabs can be seen using Quran as a pillow or a doorstop. They can be seen sleeping with their asses turned to Kaaba.

Turks pay great respect to religious places like mosques and even churches. They behave when in a religious place. They pay great respect to Quran and make sure it's clean and in a high place.

Both lies from a racist **** with a superiority complex.

It's apparent that you never went to Arabia and study their culture.

Nope never went to study their culture, I just LIVED AMONG THEM FOR YEARS.

Then you should know that I'm talking about the Wahhabi. Arabs in general started to change back into their Pre-Islamic status after Turks left them (actually were forced to leave them) alone.

[Eiríkr Rauði]

Yeah yeah yeah bombing ragheads all the same.

[Papa Lazarou]

You're saying that Islamic countries have prejudice against you or jews but you're supposed to know what the fanatical zionists have been doing in Palestine. Israel used phosphor bombs in their assault on Gazza in 2009. It was a war crime but the result? Yes, as we always thought. I can give dozens of examples. Similarly, the U.S. the superpower of the world, created false enemies and destroyed world trade center.

So because some Jews committed crimes, prejudice about all Jews is justified?

As Islamists are guests in Europe they should be happy with the fact that they have equal rights as the others, instead of trying to get priveleges or taking over a country - because Christians don't have that in fundamentalist countries.

If christians did get privileges and take over other countries, it'd be fine for muslims to do so as well?