Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?

[Pachinko]

Ohh, wow ancalimon, you ARE immortal? Wow, please tell us how did you become immortal!

EDIT: Oh, sorry ancalimon, I forgot. All Turks are immortal. Even if they die, they just take forms of other people. That's how we got the concept of twins, right?

[Rule zum Rabensang]

This thread sure sees a lot of dür...

[war300]

Good point. Root of "Torture" in Latin is actually Turkish and it comes from "Turk" according to some sources which aren't reliable because of Turcophobia...

No that's from dürdür meaning to make something twist. (the root being dür meaning to twist)

The definition of "torture" above doesn't belong to me. In fact, I don't know its root. It could be either torquere (Turk) or dürdür.

Ohh, wow ancalimon, you ARE immortal? Wow, please tell us how did you become immortal!

EDIT: Oh, sorry ancalimon, I forgot. All Turks are immortal. Even if they die, they just take forms of other people. That's how we got the concept of twins, right?

So, do you believe in reincarnation?

[Si-A-erra.]

This thread sure sees a lot of dür...

BARA DUR!

[ancalimon]

Good point. Root of "Torture" in Latin is actually Turkish and it comes from "Turk" according to some sources which aren't reliable because of Turcophobia...

No that's from dürdür meaning to make something twist. (the root being dür meaning to twist)

The definition of "torture" above doesn't belong to me. In fact, I don't know its root. It could be either torquere (Turk) or dürdür.

Ohh, wow ancalimon, you ARE immortal? Wow, please tell us how did you become immortal!

EDIT: Oh, sorry ancalimon, I forgot. All Turks are immortal. Even if they die, they just take forms of other people. That's how we got the concept of twins, right?

So, do you believe in reincarnation?

There was no reincarnation idea among Turks. Turks believed in awakening to real life after they die. Basically what we today call life was considered as slumber among ancient Turks. They did not believe in dying and returning to this world in another body.

The idea of reincarnation was imposed upon the low class Indians in order to keep them content by the high class Indians. They believed that they were going to have a better life after they die and reincarnate.

[war300]

Good point. Root of "Torture" in Latin is actually Turkish and it comes from "Turk" according to some sources which aren't reliable because of Turcophobia...

No that's from dürdür meaning to make something twist. (the root being dür meaning to twist)

The definition of "torture" above doesn't belong to me. In fact, I don't know its root. It could be either torquere (Turk) or dürdür.

Ohh, wow ancalimon, you ARE immortal? Wow, please tell us how did you become immortal!
EDIT: Oh, sorry ancalimon, I forgot. All Turks are immortal. Even if they die, they just take forms of other people. That's how we got the concept of twins, right?

So, do you believe in reincarnation?

There was no reincarnation idea among Turks. Turks believed in awakening to real life after they die. Basically what we today call life was considered as slumber among ancient Turks. They did not believe in dying and returning to this world in another body.

I know reincarnation doesn't belong to our culture. In Islam, we believe in the life beyond. Likewise, ancient Turks had already had this belief before they became Muslims. Their beliefs were similar to the teachings of Islam. It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

The idea of reincarnation was imposed upon the low class Indians in order to keep them content by the high class Indians. They believed that they were going to have a better life after they die and reincarnate.

Indeed. Reincarnation appeared like the other superstitious things and it has nothing to do with our belief...

[Rule zum Rabensang]

It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

How could a culture be "correct"?!

[Merlkir]

It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

How could a culture be "correct"?!

  Such a culture that follows the teachings of Qur'an, of course.

Jeebus.

[Pachinko]

Good point. Root of "Torture" in Latin is actually Turkish and it comes from "Turk" according to some sources which aren't reliable because of Turcophobia...

No that's from dürdür meaning to make something twist. (the root being dür meaning to twist)

The definition of "torture" above doesn't belong to me. In fact, I don't know its root. It could be either torquere (Turk) or dürdür.

Ohh, wow ancalimon, you ARE immortal? Wow, please tell us how did you become immortal!

EDIT: Oh, sorry ancalimon, I forgot. All Turks are immortal. Even if they die, they just take forms of other people. That's how we got the concept of twins, right?

So, do you believe in reincarnation?

There was no reincarnation idea among Turks. Turks believed in awakening to real life after they die. Basically what we today call life was considered as slumber among ancient Turks. They did not believe in dying and returning to this world in another body.

The idea of reincarnation was imposed upon the low class IndiansHindus in order to keep them content by the high class IndiansHindus.

Consult a Hindu before writing about a Hindu, don't bring you Turkish concept in everything.

[Papa Lazarou]

Indeed. Reincarnation appeared like the other superstitious things and it has nothing to do with our belief...

Yeah, no superstition in Islam at all.

[war300]

It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

How could a culture be "correct"?!

Well, actually I don't know how to define this culture and I didn't think much enough to make the definition perfect. I'll try to explain it below.

It indicates there was an only major culture which was mostly correct and compherensive at first. 

How could a culture be "correct"?!

Such a culture that follows the teachings of Qur'an, of course.
Jeebus.

Well, firstly, I respect you and your opinion but I can't help myself saying this;
"We do not burn the Bible or any other well respected books, we do not reject the prophecy of Isa(Jesus) nor prophecy of other prophets of Allah. We do not plunder the lands and we do not try to justify our invasions. Shortly, we do not abuse our power the way so called believers do. Furthermore, Islamophobia in Europe and America is today spreading day by day and racism is increasing. Most of people in the West don't know of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and don't know much about Islam and its teachings. America makes false enemies and decends upon the innocent people. Also, xenophobia is becoming worse and worse because of Islamophobia and the financial crisis in the West. The system is going bankrupt and we can predict it will have collapsed by the future two or three decades. But before this, we need to break down the prejudice. So, what is the point here?

Like Ancalimon said in another thread;
"... most of what is known about İsa was destroyed (or hidden) by these powermongers during Roman times. So the only thing which talks about İsa are the bibles...
Muslims think that the bible was corrupted by powermongers."

Surat Al-Baqarah, 79, translation;

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"So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."

There's neither justice nor freedom on Earth and the end is near...

Anyway, the true culture was an only and unified culture. In this quote from Ancalimon;

"The Kureyş family was called "hanif" by the Romans. Just like people living in Russia in old times.  The word have two different meanings. 1-People that are not superstitious, that do not worship idols, people, etc. 2-People that are not Christians..."

"Hanif" refers to those who were the members of the true culture since prophet Abraham. They had only served Allah from Prophet Abraham to Prophet Muhammad. First followers of prophet Isa(Jesus) were Hanifs but that powermongers falsified the truth in the Bible.

Indeed. Reincarnation appeared like the other superstitious things and it has nothing to do with our belief...

Yeah, no superstition in Islam at all.

I'm wondering what you know about Islam. If you're saying there was superstition in Islam, you must ask yourself some questions such as;
Is superstition in Islam or in its believers? Does superstition belong to the teachings of Quran and Hadith culture or did someone make a superstition up in the name of Islam?... before you decide.
Today, there are many superstition beliefs in Turkey but I don't believe any of them because I know what the truth is and I always do strong research. What if uneducated people? They mostly don't know and they could be tricked in any way. Some people strongly believe in superstitions and this becomes habitual in their life.

As I mentioned, most of the westerners have racial and religious prejudice against Islam. The racist attacks and enmity against Islam which are increasing in European countries and America support my argument.
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By the way, this is not a religion thread. Thus I don't want to discuss about it...

[Papa Lazarou]

You brought it up 

[Rule zum Rabensang]

By the way, this is not a religion thread. Thus I don't want to discuss about it...

After making such strong claims, that's a pretty pathetic move. Alas, I will grant your wish and let you do with your belief system. Not that discussing your one sided views would make any good.

Just one thing, your idea of something like a

true culture

makes me look like

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As I mentioned, most of the westerners have racial and religious prejudice against Islam. The racist attacks and enmity against Islam which are increasing in European countries and America support my argument.

Oh, and the people in islamic countires have no prejudices against westerners, or say, jews? The racist attacks and religion-based enmity courtesy of Muslims support other arguments. And what about the love and tolerance for other religions in islamic countries, for example Turkey? Everything has at least two sides you know...

[Danik]

What are you saying, no true Muslim would ever kill anyone because of his religion... ))

[war300]

You brought it up 

Yes, I'm sorry for this...

By the way, this is not a religion thread. Thus I don't want to discuss about it...

After making such strong claims, that's a pretty pathetic move. Alas, I will grant your wish and let you do with your belief system. Not that discussing your one sided views would make any good.

Well, you made your claims too and let's quit discussing now. Long discussions are waste of time but you're making me send long posts ...

As I mentioned, most of the westerners have racial and religious prejudice against Islam. The racist attacks and enmity against Islam which are increasing in European countries and America support my argument.

Oh, and the people in islamic countires have no prejudices against westerners, or say, jews?

I don't say the all westerners are bad and, of course, there are people who have prejudices agains westerners, this is not my point. You're saying that Islamic countries have prejudice against you or jews but you're supposed to know what the fanatical zionists have been doing in Palestine. Israel used phosphor bombs in their assault on Gazza in 2009. It was a war crime but the result? Yes, as we always thought. I can give dozens of examples. Similarly, the U.S. the superpower of the world, created false enemies and destroyed world trade center.
Finally,the U.S. has found Bin Laden and killed him.


 Then they started a new crusade which is based on Islamophobia.


 In the past decade; a lot of countries were invaded such as Afghanistan, Iraq. Millions upon millions of Muslims were killed. The U.S. and the westerner followers made their own enemies and they've been trying to justify their invasions with the Islamic(!) terror. They brought to the whole Middle East only war, blood and chaos. Middle East states have been invaded one by one and a new invasion against Iran is now approaching. I'm afraid our turn is coming...


•Richard P. is saying he used to vilify the Muslims, claiming they're terrorists. This was a remarkable example of anti-Muslim movement and xenophobia in Europe.
Richard Peppiath resigned.

The racist attacks and religion-based enmity courtesy of Muslims support other arguments.

Wait, what? You must be joking. I hear regularly about racist attacks against Muslims and Turks in Europe every day. More importantly, "Terror has no religion."

And what about the love and tolerance for other religions in islamic countries, for example Turkey? Everything has at least two sides you know...

Well, the government is trying to write a new constitution these days. Religious minorities will certainly have more rights according to an official declaration. If we think it would be a civil constitution, it seems quite natural. Apart from that, we don't kill minorities, we don't attack them. If we don't even like them, we have to tolerate because our religion wants so. I'm a Turkey citizen and so are the people who belong to a minority religion in Turkey. We're equal...
In my point of view, western governments should immediately find a solution for xenophobia...

What are you saying, no true Muslim would ever kill anyone because of his religion... ))

Why is that? do the true christian believers like killing people?

What are you saying, no true Muslim man would ever kill anyone because of his religion humanity... ))

In very deed. True believers protect their humanity by means of religion. I mean, religion helps them to be better in moral and ethical aspects and keeps them away of moral corruption.