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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2010, 03:33:25 PM »
Mythology might sometimes be derived from true stories. But as soon as it's called 'myth-ology', there ain't much truth to be found anymore.

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2010, 04:12:25 PM »
From what I read, this guy is pretty funny

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2010, 04:44:29 PM »
Here's a fun tidbit from that post Kleid
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By the way Zeus was not a god. He was probably just another Turkic leader. Probably from the OĞUZ tribe let me guess his name was As Oğuz
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2010, 05:36:08 PM »
Here's a fun tidbit from that post Kleid
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By the way Zeus was not a god. He was probably just another Turkic leader. Probably from the OĞUZ tribe let me guess his name was As Oğuz
Oh lordy. :lol:

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2010, 08:22:47 PM »
Mythology isn't truth disguised as a tale. Mythology was made by people who didn't have any better explanation (IE: the wind is blowing. A tribe doesn't know it's caused by physics, high pressure moving to low pressure, etc., so what do they attribute it to? God of the Wind.)

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2010, 08:26:14 PM »
What about a lot of early Irish mythology (It's the first example that came to mind, sorry)?  They've found that there pieces of truth in tales of powerful kings.

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2010, 08:29:50 PM »
These are kind of counterbalanced by the tower in Spain from which some king saw Ireland. :P

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2010, 08:36:13 PM »
I never said it was all true.  A little common sense would say that that is impossible.

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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2010, 09:13:43 PM »
Bollocks disguised as bollocks?
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2010, 10:30:39 PM »
Bollocks disguised as bollocks?
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2010, 11:46:41 PM »
one thing needs clearing up

the difference between creation myths and heroic myths.

creation myths are an ananthropomorphism of natural phenomena.
this can be seen by the similarity betwen the Gods' personality in comparison to the climate and geography of the area that spawned them.

there are Gods for everything that happens and they couldn't come from anywhere else.

Thor and Odin could never have originated in Egypt or Greece but they look right in place in North West Europe.
the Gods are obviously a product of the culture that created and worshipped them.

on the other hand, Heroic myth quite often has a real event behind it.

from research of local parish records, in the Yorkshire and Nottingham areas, several candidates have turned up who could have been the inspiration for Robin Hood.
there is even a John Littel who was also an outlaw at the same time as 1 of these possible Robin Hoods.
at the time of this particular combination, the Sheriff of Nottingham was also Sheriff to parts of yorkshire, where our Robin and Little John live, and in the Yorkshire area he was known as The Sheriff of Nottingham.
it also happens that under Nottingham's Galleries of Justice, they found an oubliette. this is intersting because he Robin Hood of legend was rescued from an oublitte in one of the legends.
this doesn't mean that all the stories are true, but it does show that there is a good possibility of a factual basis behind those legends.
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2010, 09:23:02 AM »
What about a lot of early Irish mythology (It's the first example that came to mind, sorry)?  They've found that there pieces of truth in tales of powerful kings.
That's because a lot of it is based on history, however embellished, propagandised and generally fooked around with, partially to make it interesting and partially because the people responsible for remembering it made their living on how interesting they could make the tale rather than how accurate it was. In the Irish cycle for example the Tuatha Dé Danann are probably a reference to the pre-Celtic inhabitants who were displaced by the Celts. Tales of various magic practices, fae and similar associated to them are obviously bollocks, but we can take general facts from it - The pre-Celt inhabitants are responsible for the burial mounds; they were eventually forced into a specific area and ultimately either vanished or integrated with the Celt invaders.
 Same applies to the Greeks; Athena springing from Zeus' forehead is probably an allusion to the worship of Athena arising in former strongholds of the cult of Zeus for example, and Zeus' slaying or imprisonment of the Titans similarly the displacement of an older religion by that of Zeus. 
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2010, 12:02:32 PM »
Tales of various magic practices, fae and similar associated to them are obviously bollocks.

maybe not.
the tales of other races could be references to neolithic tales of early man co-existing with neanderthals and other early hominids that didn't make it through the evolutionary cut.

there is archaeological evidence of neanderthals trading all over Europe at the same time that our ancestors were there (and it was Neanderthals that were the first to shape flints, according to the evidence found so far)
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Re: Is mythology actually the truth disguised as a tale?
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2010, 12:18:08 PM »
Although that is possible, the neanderthals went extinct a long while ago. 20,000 years would be a conservative estimate, the oral history would have to be at least that old, which seems kinda unlikely.
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