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Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?
ancalimon:
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--- Quote from: ancalimon on April 04, 2012, 07:16:26 AM ---That Kazakh Turks genes had been there for 40000 years. And he is considered the ancestor of Europeans, Asians, Native Americans and many Indians.
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Now it's Turk genes? One or two pages ago Turkmanship was nothing about genes. But if the Turks were giant space gods, How can there be Kazakh Turks? I saw a Kazakh once. He didn't seem that big or godlike.
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Like I said there is no Turk gene. Genes can only determine when someone lived where.
Meaning looks does not determine who is a Turk or not.
Si-A-erra.:
So it is more of a secret society than a race or culture?
Eiríkr Rauði:
Secret handshakes and shit, **** yeah!
Oberyn:
--- Quote from: ancalimon on April 03, 2012, 04:55:24 PM ---Well genetically a Turk from Kazakhstan is considered the ancestor of all living humans. (even though it doesn't mean anything for me. All I'm after is the catalyst of the common culture)
http://digital.films.com/play/SX29S4#
see 74:00...
(the man at 3:10 is the person who said that Indo-European languages theory is bogus and it is built upon false foundations and must be left to die)
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--- Quote ---Journey of Man: The Story of the Human Species (120:00)
Fossil evidence more or less proves that humanity sprang from an African cradle. But what can the science of genetics tell us about our origins? Researchers have arrived at a startling conclusion: the global family tree can be traced to one African man who lived 60,000 years ago. Eminent geneticist Dr. Spencer Wells hosts this innovative program, traveling to every continent in search of the people whose DNA holds humanity’s secret history: the Namibian Bushmen, the Chukchi reindeer herders of the Russian Arctic, Native American tribal groups, and indigenous Australians. The program also features commentary by historians, archaeologists, and anthropologists. Distributed by PBS Distribution. (120 minutes)
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Did you even watch the video you linked?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_Urheimat_hypotheses
--- Quote ---The accumulation of Archaeogenetic evidence which uses genetic analysis to trace migration patterns since the 1990s has also added new elements to the puzzle. Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza and Alberto Piazza argue that Renfrew and Gimbutas reinforce rather than contradict each other. Cavalli-Sforza (2000) states that "It is clear that, genetically speaking, peoples of the Kurgan steppe descended at least in part from people of the Middle Eastern Neolithic who immigrated there from Turkey."( Again, he is refererring to the GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION here, not a culture, not a peoples, not a tribe. i.e ******** Anatolia, which has only been populated by Turkic speakers for close to a thousand years) Piazza & Cavalli-Sforza (the guy you use to support your theory) (2006) state that:
if the expansions began at 9,500 years ago from Anatolia and at 6,000 years ago from the Yamnaya culture region, then a 3,500-year period elapsed during their migration to the Volga-Don region from Anatolia, probably through the Balkans. There a completely new, mostly pastoral culture developed under the stimulus of an environment unfavorable to standard agriculture, but offering new attractive possibilities. Our hypothesis is, therefore, that Indo-European languages derived from a secondary expansion from the Yamnaya culture region after the Neolithic farmers, possibly coming from Anatolia and settled there, developing pastoral nomadism.
Wells (2002) states that "there is nothing to contradict this model, although the genetic patterns do not provide clear support either," and instead argues that the evidence is much stronger for Gimbutas' model:
while we see substantial genetic and archaeological evidence for an Indo-European migration originating in the southern Russian steppes, there is little evidence for a similarly massive Indo-European migration from the Middle East to Europe. One possibility is that, as a much earlier migration (8,000 years old, as opposed to 4,000), the genetic signals carried by Indo-European-speaking farmers may simply have dispersed over the years. There is clearly some genetic evidence for migration from the Middle East, as Cavalli-Sforza and his colleagues showed, but the signal is not strong enough for us to trace the distribution of Neolithic languages throughout the entirety of Indo-European-speaking Europe.
High concentrations of Mesolithic or late Paleolithic Y-DNA haplogroups of types R1b (typically well above 35%) and I (up to 25%), are thought to derive ultimately of the robust Eurasiatic Cro Magnoid Homo sapiens of the Aurignacian culture, and the subsequent gracile leptodolichomorphous people of the Gravettian culture that entered Europe from the Middle East 20,000 to 25,000 years ago, respectively.[9] Small Neolithic additions have been connected to occurrences of haplogroups J2, G, F and E3b1a (which are believed to have originated in Anatolia, the latter haplogroup in Northeastern Africa),[10][11] although such a position has been challenged as simplistic. Haplogroup R1a1, whose lineage is thought to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes north of the Black and Caspian Seas, is associated with the Kurgan culture,[12] as well as with the postglacial Ahrensburg culture that might have spread the gene originally.[13] On the other hand Dupuy and his colleagues proposed Ahrensburg culture to have brought Haplogroup Hg P*(xR1a) or R1b (Y-DNA) to the population and stressed genetic similarity with Germany.[14] Ornella Semino et al. propose a postglacial spread of the R1a1 gene during the Late Glacial Maximum, subsequently magnified by the expansion of the Kurgan culture into Europe and eastward.[15] R1a1 is most prevalent in Poland, Russia, and Ukraine and is also observed in Pakistan, India and central Asia. Wells suggests the origin, distribution and age of R1a1 points to an ancient migration, possibly corresponding to the spread by the Kurgan people in their expansion across the Eurasian steppe around 3000 BC. R1a1 is largely confined east of the Vistula [16] and drops considerably to the west: R1a1 measurements read 6.2% to Germans (a 4X drop to Czechs and Slovakians reading 26,7%) and 3.7% to Dutch.[17] The spread of Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup R1a1 has also been associated with the spread of the Indo-European languages, as well as a later, more regional spread associated with the Slavic expansions. The mutations that characterize haplogroup R1a occurred ~10,000 years bp. Its defining mutation (M17) occurred about 10,000 to 14,000 years ago.
Out of 10 human male remains assigned to the Andronovo horizon from the Krasnoyarsk region, 9 possessed the R1a Y-chromosome haplogroup and one C haplogroup (xC3). mtDNA haplogroups of nine individuals assigned to the same Andronovo horizon and region were as follows: U4 (2 individuals), U2e, U5a1, Z, T1, T4, H, and K2b.
90% of the Bronze Age period mtDNA haplogroups were of west Eurasian origin and the study determined that at least 60% of the individuals overall (out of the 26 Bronze and Iron Age human remains' samples of the study that could be tested) had light hair and blue or green eyes.[18]
A 2004 study also established that during the Bronze Age/Iron Age period, the majority of the population of Kazakhstan (part of the Andronovo culture during Bronze Age), was of west Eurasian origin (with mtDNA haplogroups such as U, H, HV, T, I and W), and that prior to the 13th-7th century BCE, all Kazakh samples belonged to European lineages
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ancalimon:
--- Quote from: Sierra125 on April 04, 2012, 02:51:04 PM ---So it is more of a secret society than a race or culture?
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I don't know actually. I don't even know if the original Turks as a "clan" still exists or not.
What I know is that there is a conspiracy created by Turks to hide something. (not really a conspiracy.. But some kind of plan.. Still it is not the what really happened. They made people believe a lie)
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/20Roots/ZakievGenesis/ZakievGenesis76-124En.htm
There is even a historian saying that the original Turks were Turanoid but black people that created a Sumerian civilization. Too many vague and impossible theories.
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