Help needed - 3d modelling and texturing

Could use a model of a bear spear (rohatyna/rogatina).  A stout spear basically with a wide head and a cross at the base of the blade meant to prevent the weapon from going in too far.

Something like this:
http://www.eaglehunter.co.uk/images/VGAP_images/VGAP010_Russian_bear_hunter.jpg
http://forums.dfoggknives.com/uploads/monthly_10_2008/post-25468-1223221868.jpg
http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/82/Rogat09358.jpg

Brador, the bill looks good but the blade, hmm, more round?

like in this picture (ignore the shaft, it's the short version just look a the blades)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Kentish_billhooks_2027_3.jpg
It should be about 1.8m-2m long (shaft + blade).

Hmm.. I'm givin' that spear a shot.

We could use this Andalusian sword, seen it also used by an Almohad footsoldier and I think some Iberian Christians.

Got something of a model request/idea. I really don't like the 'one panel' lamellar, because I really have rarely ever seen any depictions of a single sided lamellar vest. Usually they are either around the torso (even if they are a front and black piece latched together at the flanks), or are fully encompassing the Torso.

The request would be to take the single sided lamellar model, lamellar_vest_a, and copy the raised lamellar vest area on the front to place it on the back and have the side flaps meet up to be a continuous face (so there isn't a depressed area on the flank area). See these concept pieces for what the goal is:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2w3dvs7.jpg & http://i55.tinypic.com/2lbkk7o.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/28apct3.jpg & http://i56.tinypic.com/1zzt9ud.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/jb43e1.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2rzqmab.jpg

Note in those concepts - the goal isn't to do anything but make the lamellar vest '2 sided' or covering the majority of the torso rather than '1 sided' or just the front/sides. If it's easy to achieve, arabian_armor_b could use the same treatment.

Now if someone is equally daring, what would also be great is to take the lamellar_vest_a model and flatten the chest and straps so that it looks like a simple robe/kaftan. I'm not good enough to really texture with cloth, but it would make a perfect Mongol or Turkic kaftan and if it's done, we can bug Kuauik to do a kaftan for it. 

Sahran said:

We could use this Andalusian sword, seen it also used by an Almohad footsoldier and I think some Iberian Christians.

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Easy to make, I'll do it. Nice idea for lamellar armors.

New helmet for Middle East (not finished):

Great looking helmet. Looks fantastic with that mail shirt.

I'll update this when I have more time, but a helmet I've always been a fan of is the so called phyrgian style, usually associated with Italo-Normans but in general use amongst the Mediterranean. I'll have to verify it was still used in this period, but if it was, an easy method to get it would be to take the faradon_helm_a helmet area and just cut off the face mask, coif, and possibly smooth out the raised rim area along the edge of the helmet. Then apply either a mail coif, mail aventail, or cloth/leather coif or aventail. I'll have to check.

The latest illustration of phrygian helmets that I know dates from 1220. It depicts Andalusi or Castillan knights. To my eyes, it is to early for the mod.

Aw fiddlesticks!

My first attempt to make this famous Andalusi helmet:
The gilded decoration will probably be improved. The rest is OK to my eyes.

And another helmet, based on a MTW 2 Muslim leader icon:
To py eyes, it doesn't look inaccurate. It can be Moorish or more broadly Iberian. Helmets with round top have always been widespread in medieval Iberia, in both Muslim and Christian side. Besides, by the mid 13th century, Iberian helmets looked like that (kuauik have made a lot like that). However, the gilded decoration make it look rather Moorish than Christian. What do you think about that Sahran ?

I think it looks really great and I should improve the spec and normal maps for that Andalusian knight outfit

done!

Thanks
Can't wait to see the improved texture ingame

Iberian sword/cleaver and Moorish one handed axe (just a retextured from Native):

I put the Alsacian sword to give an idea of the size, and Native's axe seems to be a little bit oversized

Nice!  You still need to send me that Alsacian sword model!

Actually Kuauik has the latest version as he retextured it. But as I said some time ago, we can have two versions of it: one with kuauik's texture and one with weapons_b that I can send to you now if you want. Anyway, lods and scabbard aren't done.

Alright, I'll wait for the scabbard and LODs then

Al_Mansur said:

My first attempt to make this famous Andalusi helmet:

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The gilded decoration will probably be improved. The rest is OK to my eyes.

And another helmet, based on a MTW 2 Muslim leader icon:

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To py eyes, it doesn't look inaccurate. It can be Moorish or more broadly Iberian. Helmets with round top have always been widespread in medieval Iberia, in both Muslim and Christian side. Besides, by the mid 13th century, Iberian helmets looked like that (kuauik have made a lot like that). However, the gilded decoration make it look rather Moorish than Christian. What do you think about that Sahran ?

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I think it's completely reasonable to have. One thing us grognards shouldn't make the mistake of is assuming historicity arises only from available empirical evidence. That's not to say that we shouldn't prize such evidence (illustrative or textual) as paramount, but a good degree of deduction is also valuable. In this case that's what you've done - mid-13th century Iberian helmets look like this, round topped helmets have been widespread in medieval Iberia, and there's nothing really pointing to suggest it wouldn't be an accurate rendition of what a helmet probably looked like.  So deductive reasoning completely supports it!

On that topic though I think we should give great helms to the top echelon Andalusian knight, since there are depictions of em with it.

@Othr. Ok. I think I will send you a huge .brf file with all my new items when they are all done.

@Sahran. That's exactly what I think and that I wanted to say, but my English isn't enough good to put it into words. I agree for the great helms, all the more as I have done the Andalusian helmets' weird gilded decoration which was put on their helms. I am only afraid that those great helms would be prevalent ingame, because of M&B weird items' repartition. Only 10% or less of Andalusian knights should wear them. For the moment, I have made 3 helmets for them. I am afraid that after the introduction of great helms the distribution will be, for example: 40% Great helms, 20% for the three others. It would be so inaccurate.

We'll just give a great helm to some Andalusian nobles then, would keep it rare and as a sign of this guy being a top dog knight.

That's a good solution. We can also add an Andalusian hero who has one.

This helmet is probably one of those helmets called "Zaragozan / Çaragoçan helms". Zaragoza was famous all around Western Europe for its production of good helms. They are mentioned over and over again in XI-XIIIth Century chronicles. Christian knights used them too, probably with different decoration.

"Çaragoçan helm" is not a type of helmet, but a mark of quality and procedence. But given that most hemets in Spain were cervellieres, semiespherical helmets, it's very likely that in Zaragoza most of the helmets they produces were in fact semiespherical.

Very good work, Al-Mansur.