Mount&Blade: Warband > The King's Court - Suggestions

Archers; Too heavily armed

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Joza:
I think they also shouldnt be very good on using melee weapons.

calandale:

--- Quote from: Papa Lazarou on April 23, 2006, 10:00:05 AM ---I agree that they're too well equipped for melee.
Problem with this sort of suggestion (as I discovered recently) is that so many ppl agree that there's no discussion. So it doesn't last long on the front page.

--- End quote ---

But, Armagan is on often enough that he will see it.

Fujiwara:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Equipement.archer.png/200px-Equipement.archer.png

This is a woodcut of the middle to late medieval period quite clearly showing an archer with a helmet, an arming sword for close in combat, and wearing what looks to be a padded jack or aketon (gambeson). I think a leather jerkin would be appropriate, but not mail or scale, unless it was some kind of vest. The helmet is obviously not the great helm a mounted knight or heavy infantyman would wear, but a light segemented helm (Norman spangenhelm or something similar) would be appropriate. I agree that ranged infanty should not be carrying around heavy polearms (!). I've had squads of sharpshooters decimate the high-end Vaegirs units by themselves, without any assistance from the sergeants. Obviously this should not be the case.

Tarrak:
Highend ranged troops should b pretty well armoured, such as Sharpshooters, Marksmen, Crossbowmen and Archers. But those below should carry Falchions or similar weapons and perhaps some padded armour and a hood or some of the other light armours.
None should carry twohanded weapons of course, but swords, even good swords should be open to them. And often archers did carry small target or buckler sheilds, so smaller round shields should be open to them too.

I suggest people look into the equipment regular crossbowmen had in the 1300s+ which is the approximate time we are dealing with here. It could get pretty heavy, some even had reinforced mail AND padded armour as well a bascinets.

But right now it really seems the problem lies in the weaponskills of the units, and that they carry big Voulges or Bardiches.
The Weaponskills are just about even for all styles for the ranged units. Clearly they should have no skills in polearms or thrown for instance, while their main skills should be pretty high and a fair skill in singlehanded (though not as good as now). A change of those two areas would have a significantly larger impact than going about and stripping them of armour, which they DID carry. Let them retain the armour, but change the skills (we all remember how 'fast' we were at 60-80 points).

Merentha:
Historically, if they could afford armor, they would wear it.  Archers tended to be relatively poor peasants, often criminals.  They couldn't afford much, but sure as hell wouldn't chose a dagger over a sword.  Removing polearms seems like a fine idea to me though.  One-handed swords of various quality, plus an occasional small shield, seems fine to me for weapons.

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