MP Antiquity [WB] Ancient Phalanxes, a mod to encourage teamwork

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Tischdecke

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Ancient Phalanxes (a working title) is a Muliplayer Mod for Warband with the humble ambition to encourage teamwork in Multiplayer Battles. This project aims to bring the world and warfare from the Archaic and Classical Age, where men once stood shoulder at shoulder in the legendary Phalanx, to the great Warband Multiplayer.


Q&A about this project

Who is working on this project ?

A small team calling themselves "Naked Fanatics", bringing Modeling, Skinning and Scripting Skills from various other games.

Where did you get the idea ?

While playing the Invasion(tBfC) mod for Warband with some friends, we employed a Phalanx to fight off the Later Waves of the mod. During this fight we saw how effective and how much fun it was. Sadly, in Warband MP, such Walls or Formation barely find any friends and with the great emphasis on Riding and Archery not a lot of people have the patience to stay in a shieldwall and roll over the enemy.

What factions will be in the game ?

For a start there will be Sparta and Athens. Both will field the same setup of troops. Those will be Hoplites (Heavy Infantry), Peltasts (Light Infantry),Psiloi (Skirmishers) and a possible (not final) Special Unit (Spartan Hippeis, Athenian Marine)
However, considering the timeframe there are factions that might come into later releases, depending on the success of this mod. These include Corinth, Thebes, Macedon, Illyria, Syracuse, Croton, Thrace and so on. That of course means those will have other troop line-ups, possibly including forms of Cavalry and other Heavy Infantry.

Will the mod be historical ?

I will be to a certain degree. It will be historical in every aspect that doesnt contradict our basic idea and the balance of the mod.

What is the goal ?

It's simple. Two Phalanxes consisting of Hoplites clashing on a Multiplayer map in Classical Style, supported by Skirmishers and Light Infantry.

Wait, no Archers and Cavalry ?

Cavalry won't be in the early releases, since warfare of that timeframe doesn't cover mounted combat for the factions we have in mind for the first release. This is especially good since Cavalry, while being great fun in native mp, would be a huge setback for our goal. Most of you should realize that.
As for Archery, it will be limited and expensive. Bows are not a common weapon of that timeframe, nor do we plan on large masses of Archers. However, Bows will be in the game for a relativley high price. Ranged combat however will be included fully, with throwing stones, javelins and slingers.

When will be the first Release ?

Not sure. We'll try our best to release a first beta very early.

Do you need help ?

Yes and No. We'll try to get as much done as possible on our own for the first release, but experienced Modders are welcome to help us achieve our goal, especially since we have almost no experience in modding M&B or Warband. Mentors so to say...

Modellers and Skinners are always welcome...the more work gets done the faster this will be playable...especially Skinners...

Troopchart Concept


Equipment Concept


To-Do-List

Alpha

Getting the idea - done
Research - done
Writing the Concept - done
Setting up Thread on Taleworlds - done
Models and Skins -
Scripts -
Setting up Enviroment -

The Team



Tischdecke - Head

Team:
carcharoth
Eomyn
 
An great idea for an mod! Nice to see you're planning on having Sparta in. From the looks of it you've gave it some good thought as the troop selection seems pretty good!

Also great that you're doing it as Historically accurate as possible, keep it that way for an great mod!  :mrgreen:

 
Temuzu said:
I doubt you need any scenes for this one :smile:


oh we might at some point, but not for the first release...the random maps do their job just fine for that

But at some point I would love to see a fight on ships between Athenian and Ionian Marines, but that is just a dream...first things first  :wink:
 
This is all cool and all but how will this make people form phalanxes and not go all out bronze age style? will there be a phalanx lock? like you guys decide to join in a phalanx making it impossible to move independently until you have clashed or pressed a button?
 
Saxdude said:
This is all cool and all but how will this make people form phalanxes and not go all out bronze age style? will there be a phalanx lock? like you guys decide to join in a phalanx making it impossible to move independently until you have clashed or pressed a button?

Not something fancy like that

Simple, by encouraging them to do so.

No 2h-Swing weapons
No Long-Range 1h Weapons
No Cavalry
Limited Archery
And hopefully maps without cover for Psiloi to hide

these 5 points are the most basic points that make the mp such a mess at the moment. Since these are all not employed by the timeframe our mod aims at. Players should soon realize that working as a team will be better than soloing on the map. We will ofcourse try to enhance this by certain balancing and limitations.

Hopefully someone (or ourselves) will be able to make troop limitations work, so that a balance of 3:1:1 in favour of the Hoplite will be reached on the servers.

Note that the Formation Battles are the ultimate goal, but I, for one, would be more than pleased if at least some of the Public chaos vanishes in favour of teamwork and I think our Concept is a good start to achieve that....

And since this is a mod, we aim to reach a certain audience for our mod. Those who do not seem to be able to play in that manner won't like our mod anyway.
 
sergeant113 said:
Just a small off-topic question: what's the difference between aspis and hoplon

there seems to be some discussion about that for a looooong time...as far as I know

Aspis = name of the Shield
Hoplon = meaning of the word: arm or weapon, but also used for the itself shield...

so basically the same thing....
 
nice mod and concept


i would love to see some persians in game, just to add some variety :smile: and perhaps some barbarian tribes like the dacians, thracians, or the getai


looking forward for this mod :grin:
 
I made an Illyrian and Pylos helm recently. You can use them if you would like to. For the top two groups, be sure to add the kopis as a sword as well.
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,123550.0.html

Kopis
testes.jpg

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,85220.0.html
 
What time period is this in? Because if it was around the time of Rome's invasion of Greece you could make a fully functional Greek or (insert one of the many many Greek clans) and combine it with the Roman mod :grin:
 
Crossbow Joe said:
What time period is this in? Because if it was around the time of Rome's invasion of Greece you could make a fully functional Greek or (insert one of the many many Greek clans) and combine it with the Roman mod :grin:

..The invasion of Greece was around 170 B.C, the Roman mod is an ahistorical mod based on 100 A.D legionaries.
 
Nodscouter said:
Sweet. Hope you'll make Thermopylae map :grin:. Maybe you should add the Persians too?
that would be awesome if there was persians, maybe there special unit could be an immortal?
 
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