You're the boss, i only give suggestion.
General Luigi Palma di Cesnola will stay italian.
I'd like to help you for the random lords spawning but it's outside my competence.
I've started to list what i can correct. If you agree, I will start to standardizing the description of items (mostly clothes, hats, hats with hair, etc, ..) and the nomaclature of lord's names.
I've found some few mistakes also ("Ankle Boots" should be "Shoes and Puttees", "Felt Hat Brimfold beige" -> "Felt Hat Brim Folded Beige" ......)
It's not big deal so you can concentrate yourself on the scripts and most important things.
It could be of this form: Faction Rank Item Color
For exemple : Brown Waistcoat -> Waistcoat Brown
Brown Fur Coat -> Fur Coat Brown
CW Csa Officerholster Unif -> Csa Officer Uniform with Holster (by the way, is CW have a purpose or a meaning ?)
Black Sailor Cap -> Sailor Cap Black
Etc, ...
If you don't have added some new items since 0.99M, i could work directly on Item_Kinds1.txt and troops.txt files
If you are ok, tell me what i should not modify and i'll start to work on it.
I'm in, let me some time. You won't be disappointed.
Edit by Gabby:
Never was even before!
There's a lot to fix IMHO before 1.0. Nothing crucial but annoying.
Like i said, devil is the detail and there is a lot to fix.
I propose to correct step by step.
So far my list concern speeling, AP for items, Weapons, troops tree, inventory in the shops ....
Let's choose the first step (in fact i choose by myself ).
Some things are really easy to fix like minor misspelled names. My first proposal is to define the proper classification for all the factions.
Good name, ranks, spelling.
I've looked troops.txt
American_Settlers seems quite good as far i saw
"knights" are civilian, nothing particular.
But they need ranks, why not deputy, senator, attorney general, mayor or sheriff ?
US needs more works some names are misspelled and they have military ranks.
My proposal:
Troop ID Single Plurial
trp_knight_2_1 Major_General_Ulysses_S._Grant Ulysses_S._Grant
trp_knight_2_2 Major_General_George_B._McClellan George_B._McClellan
trp_knight_2_3 Major_General_George_G._Meade George_G._Meade
trp_knight_2_4 Major_General_Phil_Sheridan Phil_Sheridan
trp_knight_2_5 Major_General_William_T._Sherman William_T._Sherman
trp_knight_2_6 General_Luigi_Palma_di_Cesnola Luigi_Palma_di_Cesnola (the name speak by himself, no need to mention Italian)
trp_knight_2_7 Brigadier_General_George_A._Custer George_A._Custer
trp_knight_2_8 Major_General_Don_Carlos_Buell Don_Carlos_Buell
trp_knight_2_9 Major_General_John_Buford John_Buford
trp_knight_2_10 Major_General_Ambrose_E._Burnside Ambrose_E._Burnside
trp_knight_2_11 Brigadier_General_Joshua_L._Chamberlin Joshua_L._Chamberlin
trp_knight_2_12 Major_General_George_Crook George_Crook
trp_knight_2_13 General_Charles_Lawrence Charles_Lawrence
trp_knight_2_14 Major_General_Henry_W._Halleck Henry_W._Halleck
trp_knight_2_15 Brigadier_General_Winfield_S._Hancock Winfield_S._Hancock
trp_knight_2_16 Brigadier_General_Joseph_Hooker Joseph_Hooker
trp_knight_2_17 Brigadier_General_Phillip_Kearny_Jr Phillip_Kearny_Jr
trp_knight_2_18 Brigadier_General_John_Pope John_Pope
trp_knight_2_19 Brigadier_General_William_S._Rosecrans William_S._Rosecrans
trp_knight_2_20 Brigadier_General_Henry_H._Sibley Henry_H._Sibley
Do you endorse this ?
Next to come the nation Indian
Which name, tribe and spelling for which indian "knights" ? (21 knights in this faction)
Do their tribes really need to be mentioned ?
Ranks proposal: Shaman, chief, great chief, sachem
JOE remembered what I said time ago !
And is exactly that!
But I did not apply to all outfits.
Some outfits have higher values due to the TOUGH troops that they belong to, or COOL characters that wear them.
For example, black Gloves are usually for cooler and best troops, so they have a higher stats.
Once again, it is the general "feel" of the mod that u need to catch and eventually point at, even negatively.
Like when I could bury myself for forgetting to remove those Special Ammos (meant as a CHEAT for Player and Npcs, maybe) that made Csa super snipers!
Anyway, U r right on some things that need a change and u r a great "issues" Hunter.
So please, make a list and edit it, in the Brainstorming Topic.... and lets all debate on it!
GAb
PS ....Hunkpapa is one of the many tribes that made the Sioux Nation. Lakota is a bigger sub-class. etc etc...
So that is not wrong but maybe too...long?!
We can talk about it and many things that are not clear for some ppl
To be honest I don't know what are the mechanicals of this game.
Now i can understand your choices even if it sounds strange to me.
I suppose you have good reasons to do this but IMHO why don't you add more life for skilled troops ?
It would have done the same thing no ?
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I'll take more time to give my point of view in "brainstorming" point by point later in the week. Or sooner if find the time.
The devil is in the detail. And details are a part of my job (i'm a computer specialist).
This explain it .... When I do something that is very hierarchized, for example,i would not let only 3 or 4 indian lords with their tribes in their names (the famous Hunkpapa).
It would have been all or none, i work sequentially. When i found them, i thought, it was a mistake or something like that.
I misunderstood your way of work. And i forgot it's only a beta for testing.
A 'slough hat' is a type of hat; the name can be shortened to 'slough'. I think it is referring to this type of hat here.
I'm not sure, but it's possible Gab gave the legs more protection so that hits on the body are even more deadlier, illustrating the effect of firearms...
Yes, the correct spelling seems to be slouch hat not only slouch. It confuse me when i try to translate the word slough
For the legs, i don't know. Too many things seems to be randomized for me.
Some gloves give 10 AP to the body, some suits nothing, shirts give a few AP, some Hats give 8 AP some other less, etc, ....
I not sure there is a logic behind this for the moment.
We should define a scale to give AP to the clothing.
Hum, there is many misspelled items to fix in 0.99M.
It stings my eyes when i see them.
I've tried to some changes with Morghs M&B WB-WFAS Editor, it's realy easy.
If you agree, i'll fix the description of this items but we need to consult us on the names and the proper words to used
What do you mean by "slouch" battered ? ragged ?, used ?, worn ?
How can we named the uniforms ?
For exemple "Csa nco 1sgt Unif" Shoult it be "Csa Nco 1 sergeant uniform" ?
Or "CW Csa Inf Vet Unif" -> "Csa Infantery Uniform" ?
Names should be uniformized, there are too many different names used IMHO
And i don't even speak for some items AP who are illogical. Many gives more protection for legs than body.
There is a lot to do only to fix this.
Edit, I'm on holidays today, i've just fixed troops.txt. I couldn't wait for an answer ....
Aaah Camerone,
One of our most brilliant defeat.
We, French, can celebrate indistinctly our victory or our defeat.
I prefer to play with Confederate faction against USA however i'll have a try.
If I had more time i could translate some french website about this battle.
I try to play a bit with 1860's to find bugs but i've also a real life. You know what i mean Gabb
It's not very constructive but you did a real great work for sceneries in this game.
I don't have many time the past week to play a little bit but i took one or two hours to explore the map only to discover new places (my first game was only with confederate faction, i was stuck in the middle of the map).
And i was very surprised to see how they were different. Except the forts and a few towns or big cities each villages had his own personality.
I've just discovered all the french border 2 days ago, i must say i fall in love with it.
Villages are raw and wild, the feeling is very well made. Even more than in the indian wild plains.
I'm switching to 0.99M ASAP.
Playing with Confederate best shooters has ruined my game. I'll start a new one in french territories.
I didn't really explore this part of the map but the few i saw is beautifull.
I'm really curious to see the modifications added.
Hum, Yes, we recognize a real man in his own way to die with dignity.
I can say, i watch the death right in his eyes this time. Fortunately, i've got 9 lives like cats.
So i can ride my horse a little more (and find the owner of this bullet to send it back).
Two more.
Not so exciting than a furious battle but a lot of works were done for the villages, cities, landscapes and musics !
I love guns, uniformes, troops, items and lots of other details but i much appreciate this too
It's my tribute to those who made scenery for this mod.
EDIT by Gabby:
THX Mate...VIDS are what I apreciate the most!!!!!!!!
Actually really good for many reasons:
-U showed a different part of the main Battle Map, that has that rocky part in the middle....good tactical move putting ur men up there.!
-U removed ALL troops indicators !!!
-U showed to be a good shooter...and an acrobat...falling and rolling away from ur dead poor horses.... hehehe...
-U ...died with honor and...with a great bloody hit!
I personally adore to fight on that Scene with few Riders Mates...have them follow me...and then riding all around that rocky hill, the ruined fort, the wood and the river when it spawns, sometimes...enemies will chase us all...and we shoot them really tough!
At the end most of them loose their horses and so we take cover somewhere and then ...fight for life!
Playing to be a simple cannon fodder soldier could be very cool.
I've already played this mod included in various other mods (great mod like Floris for example) and it's a good way to play differently.
Things i like
- New weapons.
- Holsters.
- New uniforms.
- Cities, villages, forts, factions, sceneries...
- Western musics.
- Tough combats.
- New orders, new movement, (crouching)
- New items ...
Bugs 0.99G
Wrong things i found so far
- Some items are upside down or not in the right direction in the shops (holster, banner)
- Some troops have wrong hats (specially camp follower)
- Some missing textures (fenian uniform, ) Lord Simon Cameron, stagecoach
- Mexican border is too close to the end of the game map
- Some lord's banner are wrong :
CSA - Lt general Alexander P. Stewart, Général Nathan Bedford Forrest, Richard H. Anderson.
Settler - Gilbert Antoine de St Maxent.
USA - USA Pretender
Indian - Indian pretender
French - Colonel Charles de lorencez, Colonel Dubois de Salign, Colonel Joseph de Vilain, Colonel Victor catteau, Major Theophilus Allan Jones
- Missing flag for Jubal Early
- Good factions flags but bad banners for numerous lords or forts/cities (mostly USA and French)
- Crouching with a revolver (can't fire)
- Faction color for USA (I can barely see)
- Pirates ship are too fast (and wimps) I can't catch them. Same thing for hunting, with some foot troops, I can't catch them too
- Volcanic Rifle weight
- Wrong flag assignation for fort Vicksburg and Fortification of Petersburg, Leon, Northen cheyenne trading camp
Wrong value for a hat
- CSA best shooter are too accurate and they can shoot farther than any other troops
- Wrong sound when switching to a knife (handgun rattling instead of knife rattling)
- Bug relationship with Napoleon III
- Wrong size icon for Sturdy CW officer cockade black hat
- Still looking for books ? Where are they ?
- Lack of shoes in stores.
- Name misspelled: Gen Robet E Lee instead of General Robert E. Lee
- Wrong spawn point at Fort Vicksburg (too close from the walls)
- Indian musket icon (top view instead of side view)
- Not realy a bug but Erie is a lovely snowy village without reason
Bugs
- 2 Scripts (spawing bandits)
Suggestions
- Companion should begin the game with less aptitude (maybe it's for testing purpose)
- Different Sounds for each caliber (.31/.32 / .36 .44, etc ….) or better, for each firearm.
- Maybe a smaller map for more action, I spend a lot of time in travel. (great for immersion but it slow down the gameplay IMHO)
- Horses armor are very different between different races (from 0 armor to 37)
Bugs 0.99.M Note Some items listed here can be misspelled or need be corrected many times
I use the name i found in the game then i submit some correction.
To facilitate the search, i'll add a small number0 at following.
Wrong flag assignation For places
- Fort Smith (jolly roger flag instead of USA) (only when it belong to St Maxent, i have understood .... )
- Northern Cheyenne trading camp (French flag instead of Cheyenne) (Same thing than above with Chief Ahote)
Have a look
For NPC
- Chief Ahote (French flag instead of Cheyenne)
- Colonel Charles Wyke (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
- Colonel Charles de lorencez (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
- Colonel Dubois de Salign (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
- Colonel Joseph de Vilain (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
- Colonel Victor de Catteau (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
- CSA pretender (misc. tribe indian flag instead of CSA)
- French pretender (misc. tribe indian flag instead of french)
- Frontier Pretender (misc. tribe indian flag instead of USA (?)
- Gilbert Antoine de St Maxent (Jolly roger flag instead of USA)
- Indian Pretender (CSA flag instead of Cheyenne)
- Lt General Alexander P. Stewart (French flag instead of CSA)
- LT General Nathan Bedford Forrest (French flag instead of CSA)
- Lt General Richard H. Anderson (French flag instead of CSA)
- Lt General Stephan D. Lee (French flag instead of CSA)
- Major Theophilus Allan Jones (misc. tribe indian flag flag instead of French)
- USA Pretender (misc. tribe indian flag instead of French)
Miscellaneous NPC
- French lords, same head for many of them (and suit as well).
- CSA pretender looks more indian than european, illogical for me.
- Colonel Edmond de la Graviere 2 NPC have this name (Father and son ? ) Places
- City of Cancun should belong to French not Mexico early in the game IMHO Shops
-Some items are sold in the wrong shop (we can find uniform or boots in a weaponsmith for example)
-Maybe they should be more representative from their faction (few modern firearms in indian shop and less bow and arrows in US, settlers and CSA. Border towns should be be mixed
Items
- Holsters still upside down
- Best shooter ammo -> no texture Wrong AP (Amor Point)
Leather boots -> 1 AP for legs should be 4 AP for legs1
Frock Coat C & E > No AP marked
Misspelled(The list is endless ..... I stop, it's useless. I should start to work directly in troops.txt and Items_kind1.txt )Gimme the green light Gabb NPC
Hunkpapa Sioux Chief Sitting Bull -should be > Chief Sitting Bull (i presume)
Lady Hih. Kah Noh Teh -> Lady Hih Kah Noh Teh
Major General Ambrose E Burnside -> General Ambrose E. Burnside
Major General G B McClellan -> General George B. McClellan
Major General G E. Picket -> General George E. Picket
Major General W Tecumseh. Sherman -> General William T. Sherman Santee Chief Little Wolf -> Chief Little Wolf Santee Sioux Chief Little Wolf -> Chief Little Wolf Already used
Sioux Chief Little Crow -> Chief Little Crow
Cheyenne Chief Dull Knife -> Chief Dull Knife
Cheyenne Chief Roman Nose -> Chief Roman Nose
Mexican Hevy Cavalry -> Mexican Heavy Cavalry
Gen Robet E Lee -> General Robert E. Lee
- Bad name for Campeche's mayor (his name is Scgcode) Items
- Sombrero Small sq 11 - should be > Sombrero Small (?)
- Felt Hat Brimfold Beigh -> Felt Hat Brim folded Beige or Brim folded Hat Beige
- Cream for female hand R -> Cream for Female Hands
- Campaign Hat d -> Campaign Hat Black (?) (not sure, need to find similar items)
- eum cav cap -> ? Cav Cap (?)
- canada union cavalery -> Canada Union Cavalery
- Frock Coat Argyle b -> Frock Coat Argyle Red
- Frock Coat C -> Frock Coat Grey
- Frock Coat e -> Frock Coat Green
- Mexican Uniform a -> Mexican Uniform type A (?) (suggestion, not sure, need to find similar items)
- flag battleflagcsa shield -> CSA Battleflag Shield (suggestion)
- bullet poach -> Bullet Pouch
- Canadian union cap -> Canadian Union Cap
- West Inf Unif -> West infantery Outfit or West Infantery Uniform
- outlaw a -> Outlaw Suit Beige
- outlaw b -> Outlaw Suit Brown
- Woolen Hose -> Woolen Stocking or Woolen Socks
- Leather boots -> Brown Leather boots1
Lots of items and NPC names should be corrected
Numerous fonts are too big or too small (for towns, forts or villages)
Well, my dear French friend...U just owned the title of Serious Tester, Mon Ami!
Move from this topic and go posting there....using the usual style that we adopted!
Thx a lot for compliments and helpful notes!!
U can say ur opinion on different topics, according to the subject .
....hey, we should see what ppl think about troops and assignements...
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,196556.msg6495152.html#msg6495152
Thanks my generous italian friend
I'll do my best regarding the time i could take for this.
There are many things i'd like to give my opinion about this mod, mostly some details in fact.
If it can help or gives new directions....
what a pity i've learned spanish instead italian at school.
We are condemned to speak english each other.
Just a few word to say i love this mod (in 0.99G, 0.98 was a bit ... strange for me).
I m a old fan of 1866: Western Mod and i was very exited when the Gabrilduro start it's work for 1860's old America mod.
I must admit i was a bit frustrated when i tried the firt beta. IMHO, the first releases were far from my beloved mod.
Here come 0.99G.
What can i say if it's: wonderful, brilliant, fantastic, awesome !
And last but not least vey stable. Il only found a few bugs so far.
Great job Gabri !
I know there is a pinned post for serious tester. I'm not a serious tester but i can
lend a hand time to time.
Bugs unnoticed i found so far :
Wrong hats assignation for
CSA best shooter
and US settlers camp follower
Wrong flag for CSA Handerson
Wrong value for a hat
I have found some others but i can't precisely tell them (2 scripts, some textures, an other wrong flag, some items wrong values)
i'll take screenshots, it's a good memory helper
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