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Te-Ryn said:

Well i find in Warband the Khergit cultural actually looked like Mongols same with Sarranid, in Bannerlord they just like tanned white people. lol

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Khuzait is a combine of Mongol, Turkic, and other Eastern European nomads in real life, they're not only the Mongol. And Turkic people is pretty while, unlike Mongol or Sub-Saharan people..

Now, you know the pain of soldiers against Mongol horse archers in history.

The problem is the game only allow spear to thrusting while spear should can swinging and strike from above too.

Should has option to lock the horse you want to ride or give to companion to avoid they will be give to common soldiers for promotion.

owlmangroup said:

Panzercracker said:

Vietnamse Halberd (Đại Phủ Việt, Dai Phu Viet) . In Chinese script, "Viet" of Viet Nam and "Dai Phu Viet" are the same one, due in long time, Vietnamese halberd impressed Chinese and they used to call Vietnamese people is "Viet" because of that .

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OMG ... i have to register an account to reply this. dude .. are you creating your own version of history ?! that thing is called YUE in chinese & it sound like viet but it's different words. the YUE is not a weapon & it's not from vietnam ... chinese been using it for religious service 5300 - 4200 years ago .... it works just like the ceremony you showed on first post. most of the YUE are made by JADE. most of the "vietnamese weapons" are origin from chinese - - mostly are MING period. please don't steal chinese's history.

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Create my own history? Lolz. Vietnamese halberd come from Văn Lang era which use many axe as their weapon. Since 17th century, with the trading with Western, the Vietnamese halberd was inspire by European halberd shape, not from your lovely Ming. And in Vietnam, halberd was used as battlefield weapon and ceremony weapon, and does the texture of the halberd in picutre look like "jade" for you?

Most of Vietnamese weapons are common weapons in South East Asia, not origin fom China, stop delude yourself that other countries include Vietnam steal your history. Instead many things from other countries was stolen by Chinese and claim as their origin. If you keep delude your lovely China and China at the top everything, you're not welcome.

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Rare picture of Vietnamese weapons in good condition, those weapons are late 17th century from Tonkin (Ha Noi) are displayed in Rijksmuseum (Netherland)
https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/NG-NM-6087-A.

Can you stop using the picture with nake warrior? That is wrong, because the invasion of Mongol in january to april, it is cold season with the temperature below 10 census, also in both Dai Viet history docucment and Yuan history document, both armies are light to heavily armoured soldiers, non of them are even half-nake, and the turban on Dai Viet soldiers only appear during 17th century and later. Also, the Mongol already face war elephant during Champa, Java campaign before Dai Viet campaign and Dai Viet's war elephant is inferior in number when compare to Champa, Dai Viet never use war elephant as sock cavalry but as general's bodyguard. Also mountain/jungle in northern Vietnam is not as much as Champa (middle region modern Vietnam), thus most of battles (95%) happened on river delta and rivers/sea.

1850s Late Nguyễn Era Vietnamese soldiers (become more like Manchu China so much), lolz


Compare to the Early Nguyễn Era Vietnamese soldier, no wonder why Nguyễn Dynasty lose to France too quickly.

It is rattan with iron point head on the top of hat.

The reason is not many people know or have Vietnamese weapon pictures, so most of people come to see but can't post more picture, if they just come and say "it's nice", "good", look like they're spamming.

BTW, a 18~19th century Nguyễn soldier's hat

Bohemond Chesne said:

Panzercracker said:

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And, those stupid picture come from an old web game, not even a document or historical books. Thus it no match to any of my infomation in this topic.

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Much as I dislike the artists work, it is worth at least aknowledging that chinese style sword styles have been popular in vietnam on occasion if not the norm.

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s711%20s712_full.html

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Chinese sword is popular in Vietnam, because during Vietnam War, Kung Fu novels of Chinese is spread wide in Vietnam, thus modern Vietnamese mistake that tradition Vietnamese sword is look like Chinese sword.

And the important that few Vietnamese even care to come to history museum, while tradition Vietnamese swords are showed there in a lot of numbers.

A rare picture is draw by a Yuan artist about Retired Emperor's escort of Dai Viet in early 14th century. A group of officers at the left carry curve blades and group of soldier carry staff mace on the right edge.


Original link with bigger size (too big for post on here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Zh%C3%BAl%C3%ADn_d%C3%A0_sh%C3%AC_ch%C5%ABsh%C4%81n_t%C3%BA.jpg


13th century Dai Viet helmet

Once again,  those for old web game with poor knowlegde artist. So stop use misconcept picture in this topic. You not even show any historical document or relics and keep sayng those are accuracy and me is nationalism...so ignorantly blind.

If you don't want give contructive document, just get out with your inaccurate picture from that game.

Modern "Leaf Hat" from Nguyễn Dynasty.

BTW, 1800s Vietnamese soldier, drawn by Western artists.

Minh Mạng's hunting revolver rifle (1831)




saber and rifles

Accurate what? lolz. Accurate like leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in 19th century but you call 10~16th century? lolz

The idiot artist just use Chinese to draw Vietnamese with zero knowlegde of Vietnamese history.

1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.

6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.

Accurate like you said like this, lolz

Correct Vietnamese sword in 14th century




Wrong concept from dumbass artist


And, those stupid picture come from an old web game, not even a document or historical books. Thus it no match to any of my infomation in this topic.

Sorry man, but I can say those pictures above are complete wrong will little/no knowlegde about Vietnamese medieval's weapons and armours.

1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.

6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.

Shalictar Hammerfall said:

Cool seeing that China isn't the only country that acquired and adapted the nihonto from the Wako and or trading.

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Actually, Vietnamese curve blade is saw earliest in 13th century during Mongol invasion, far before contact with Japanese.

In this picture, the curved blade is used in Vietnam in 13th century (Trần Dynasty), the name of picture is "Trúc lâm đại sĩ xuất sơn đồ", about a greeting of Emperor Trần Anh Tông (the tall man just right behind 2 first guard with blade on shoulder) and his Retired Emperor Trần Nhân Tông (Anh Tông's father, the budhist monk who is sitting on the hammock).

Swordmaster said:

Panzercracker said:

The name Viet Nam never exist before 19th century. The official names are only: Vạn Xuân - Đại Cồ Việt - Đại Việt - Đại Ngu (Great Happy Kingdom)

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So Viets were known as Happy people back then?

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Đại Ngu only is used during Hồ Dynasty. Before and after that, the most used name is Đại Việt (Great Viet) until is replaced by Việt Nam.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31092

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