Tibertus said:
You also said that 9 out of ten times the guy initiates it. However, that's a social thing where women expect to have the guy make the first move. Just because a guy makes the first move, doesn't mean a single damn thing. Further, the social ostracizing, loss of work opportunity and complete Invasion of ones privacy that comes after a sexual crime accusation, even when found not guilty is so debilitating for a man, I'd never wish that on anyone that's not guilty. It's even worse in prison, what other inmates do to people accused of sexual crimes. Really, in my own opinion I'd rather give a few sleazeballs the benefit of the doubt than wrongly accuse someone who is innocent and sentence to such a horrible punishment.
What about the "social ostracizing, loss of work opportunity and complete Invasion of ones privacy" that women who make an accusation face?
You think it's a walk in the park to face hostile cross-examination about your character, drinking habits and sex life in front of a room full of strangers and reporters, while the git who raped you sits smirking a few feet away? You think women would do that for fun?
Yes there are some false allegations made. How many is something we are likely to never know. The FBI sets the level at 8%, other studies and organizations set it elsewhere.
Bear in mind that for most studies, any allegation which does not lead to a conviction is counted as "false", even though there are many ways for an accusation to not lead to a conviction even when a rape has happened. The most common of which is that "the authorities" simply do not act on the accusation as it is what is colloquially known as "he said/she said", and prosecutors will often not pursue cases unless there is a good chance of winning. And one person's word against another's is not considered a good chance. Accusers also often repent after getting a hostile questioning from the police or others to whom they turned for help, reasoning that if they are disbelieved at this stage that a trial will be much worse. Then there are the cases where the accuser has simply waited too long for any physical evidence to play a part, or where there is none to begin with. All of these get lumped in as "false".
Personally, I'd guess the percentage to be much lower than the FBI's figure, based on my gut level feeling that if you want to mess up some blokes life, there are easier ways to do it than sitting in a courthouse being repeatedly told that you are a lying slut, and then having that follow you around the rest of your life. And most of those other ways are less risky to the woman, and have a higher chance of success, and best of all, can be repeated.
I imagine that there probably are some tiny amount of women malign or stupid enough to go the false accusation route, but even then, to say that it's fine for some rapists to go free just so one innocent man is protected is just breathtakingly stupid. What about the innocent women who got raped by your released rapists? What about the innocent women who they will go on to rape, encouraged by their success?
Given the number of women who are raped or sexually assaulted, (1 in 4 have experienced rape or attempted rape, 1 in 7 have been coerced into sex), I'm happier with the idea that we throw the tiny minority of "innocent" men in with the guilty, on the grounds that 25% of women will be better protected by locking up all those accused, even the 8% who are possibly innocent.
Why this thread even exists is beyond me.