Ok ok ok I admit nord his carls are OP beasts... BUT have you people that say never choose Vaegiers, well I believe you are wrong in the extreme. Don't take me for a noob because I have played M&BW for 3 yrs. Sure Vaegiers are not coordinated in the tier 1-2 stage but when you hit veteran they die less and less than you get horsemen and eventually the very nice Vaegiers Knight. Plus the Vaegiers still have a good amount of land. At the moment I control Dhirim (great for trade) and Rivacheg. And with over 10 VKs they destroy the bulk of Rhodoks and Swades. I do also charge with Mamelukes and Swade Knights which have good health all around. So if you say Vaegiers are good for nothing you don't know how to use them
!!! On the contrary if I attacked a nord castle lets say Jelbelgi Castle with all Vaegiers knights and they had huscarls I'd get creamed. Only because huscarls are infantry built for that combat... My second nation to play with would be nords then Swadia...