The Peloponnesian War: The Unofficial Add-On [Another new Poll]

[vietanh797]

thank for all praise
trust me this is the first time I got so much praise

The last map use Greek words so cities, castle, village's name still need to edit
I still not really understand the note in map(can't find a English version)

about the Scythia we can give them some town far to the East(not historical enough) or replace their name to Persia(quite similar troops after all)

I can't find Lesbos but Lesbo Mitilene
if you mean that town(well a island small town) in my knowledge I never heard about that town before play the Diadochi : total war(mod of RTW)so i have no idea about how big is that town

[Nebless]

Just in case you or anyone else wants them; here are the Greek names from the Name Thread.  I put them in ABC order, dumped the dupes and God name's.

Achilles                Achileas            Adeimantos
Adonis               Adrastos            Aeneas
Aeolus               Aeschylus            Aeson
Agamemnon            Agamemnonas         Agapenor
Agis               Aias            Akhaios
Alexandros            Alolos            Ambrosios
Anaxandridis            Antigonos            Archelaos
Argurios               Argus            Aric
Aristaeus               Aristarkhos         Aristodemos
Aristodemus            Aristomarchos         Aristomenes
Ariston               Artemisos            Arkhesilaos
Askalaphos            Asklepios            Astyanax
Athenagoras
Bacchus               Banokles            Brithos
Bruxieus
Castor               Cephalus            Cepheus
Cerberus               Charon            Chryses
Coeus               Crius
Daedalus               Damocles            Dedalos
Deimos               Dekton            Demetrios
Dex               Dimoklitos            Dimosthenis
Diocles               Diodotos            Diogenis
Diomedes               Dion            Doreion
Doreios               Diores
Elephenor               Eleutherios         Epimetheus   
Epistrophos            Erebos            Erebus
Eruthros               Eumenes            Eupites
Euripidis               Euristheas          Euryalos
Evander               Eynikos
Glaucus               Glaukon            Guneus
Hektor               Helenos             Helikaon
Helios               Herakles            Heraklius   
Hermocrates            Hiero            Hylas   
Ialmenos               Iason            Iasonas
Idipodas               Idomeneus         Idotychides
Ieronlisias               Ifiklis             Ikaros
Iolaos               Ion            Ipias    
Iraklis               Iraklitos            Isokrates
Isokraths
Kalisandros            Kalliades            Kallimachos   
Karas               Kefalos            Khalkeus
Kleomenis               Klonios            Krios   
Kritoloas
Leitos               Leon            Leonidas
Lysander               Lysimachos   
Megakles               Meges            Menelaos
Menelaus               Menestheus         Menon
Meriones   
Nestor               Nikephoros         Nikokharis
Nireus
Odiseas               Odysseus            Orestes
Orestis
Parhs               Patroclus            Patroklos
Pausanias               Pelias            Peneleos
Pericles               Periklis            Pheidippos
Philarchos               Philistus            Philoctetes   
Philoxenos               Podarkes            Polemarchos
Polibios               Polubios            Polykarpos
Polynikes               Polyxeinos            Protesilaus
Prothoenor            Pythagoras
Schedios               Sisifos            Sokraths
Sokratis               Spyros            Sthenelos
Talos               Tellias            Thalpios
Theklimenos            Thersites            Thoas
Thrasymachos            Thucydides                        
Xander               Xeones            Xenokrates
Xenophon               
Zenophobios

[Nebless]

For a map, city names etc.... I'd suggest using the wiki. 

Off the top of my head I believe the Scythian's were above Thrace up along the West coast of the Black Sea.  If your map is going to have Persia on it one idea would be to re-name the Scythian's Persian.  Downside of that would be you'd limit their interaction with the rest of the map, end up with them vs Thrace mainly.  Another would be put them where Thessaly is (Thessaly is big horse county isn't it anyone?).

You'll need to look at their placement so they'll interact with the rest of the map.  Caldria's method of giving them all atleast 2 enemies next door is a good guide.

[Dimitris213]

Then , as i read its not gonna be just a "fix" , but u will implement the mod with many more features..thats awsome!
Actually Pelloponesean War means Athens VS Sparta Alliances...Spartans asked some economic help from Persia , and thats how Persians are included..
The strange with this war was that Athens was incredibly strong in Navy , and Sparta in Infrantry , and thats why they couldnt organise a "proper" Great Battle , cause both were trying to bring each other on his "weak" spot...Finally Sparta , strenghtened his Navy with the help of some Persian gold , and thats how they crashed Athens..

But some years before we had the Greco-Persian wars which are MUCH more interesting , since they include Heroes like Miltiades , Leonidas , Themistokles etc...

Anyway in my opinion if u dont care too much for historical accuracy , but for many factions and tons of cities , i insist on adding factions like :
greek : Macedonians , Thessalians , Cretans , Troyans etc
non-greek: Persians , Romans , Illyrians etc

[Pierce Elliot]

Thank you Nebless.... I think I need to start a credits reel on the main page soon. If I haven't done it in a weeks time, someone contact me and slap me across the wrist. lol Giving credit is an important thing. And if you don't want your name mentioned for skeptical reasons, contact me via PM.

And I was thinking of adding the Macedonians, Thessalians, Cretans, Persians, Romans, and Illyrians. I dunno about the Troyans.

But what I'm giving a good thought about is, making this like a "Cold War" kind of thing between Athens and Sparta. I dunno how historically accurate that would be, and I don't think either side would want to include in the history books any form of shady behavoir, but it sounds interesting for gameplay and I doubt anyone can prove that they didn't. However I'm open for debate, and considering I"m not the only one working on this mod. Please feel free to discuss.

[Pierce Elliot]

So, my Teacher handed me a "Schedule Sheet" and I have to right what I plan to do tomorrow, and then as the day progresses write down what did happen tomorrow. So I have on there mapping from 10-2. And I will be posting up screenshots once every 2 hours or so of the progress for constructive criticism. Unless of course something comes up. But that was the point of the assignment she gave me.

[vietanh797]

For a map, city names etc.... I'd suggest using the wiki. 

Off the top of my head I believe the Scythian's were above Thrace up along the West coast of the Black Sea.  If your map is going to have Persia on it one idea would be to re-name the Scythian's Persian.  Downside of that would be you'd limit their interaction with the rest of the map, end up with them vs Thrace mainly.  Another would be put them where Thessaly is (Thessaly is big horse county isn't it anyone?).

You'll need to look at their placement so they'll interact with the rest of the map.  Caldria's method of giving them all atleast 2 enemies next door is a good guide.

well it is historical accuracy or balance game

So, my Teacher handed me a "Schedule Sheet" and I have to right what I plan to do tomorrow, and then as the day progresses write down what did happen tomorrow. So I have on there mapping from 10-2. And I will be posting up screenshots once every 2 hours or so of the progress for constructive criticism. Unless of course something comes up. But that was the point of the assignment she gave me.

good luck with the assignment

[Pierce Elliot]

I take that back, I just put maybe 1hr of work into the map, only it looks like a blob of land. No shape or definition yet, and I have cities scattered everywhere. Nothing really screenshot worthy yet. But I'm getting tired and I do stupid things when I get tired, most of which I don't remember the next day so I'm going to stop before I make a fatal error somewhere and forget that I did it.

[Dimitris213]

And I was thinking of adding the Macedonians, Thessalians, Cretans, Persians, Romans, and Illyrians.

You are my hero!

[maverick47]

If you need translations with this image I can give you all of em since i can speak spanish and this is very similar to it.
Also, as i don't now how to make an image appear in a spoiler i'll just put the link. 

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Peloponnesian_War_-_it.png

Also people, do you know where can i get a ·3D wings tutorial? because i can't find it anywhere.

[vietanh797]

If you need translations with this image I can give you all of em since i can speak spanish and this is very similar to it.
Also, as i don't now how to make an image appear in a spoiler i'll just put the link. 

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Peloponnesian_War_-_it.png

Also people, do you know where can i get a ·3D wings tutorial? because i can't find it anywhere.

I believe there is one in TW forum at twcenter.net
I also learn how to modding game first at there

[Pierce Elliot]

I speak enough old latin (Spanish) to be able to interpret what it means.... For the most part anyways. And I am running an hour behind schedule because my grandma wanted me to move a desk, rearrange her computer, and then fix a T.V. Family, got to hate love them.

EDIT: Alright, so the original calradia map was 280 x 280. My map for the moment is going to be 350 x 400. Unless that still isn't big enough to add everything.

[Pierce Elliot]

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So as you can see here, my entire scaling is horrible, have to zoom down a bit lower now.

2. Is supposed to be placeholder Greece
1. Is supposed to be Blobby Crete

UPDATE: Alright so here is my very very

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 very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very

basic map.

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Everything is just a placeholder for now. Of course, my map maker crashed, but I am going to make the map wider yet again so that you will have more of the roman playfield, adding sicilly, a wider thrace, and a wider persian playfield. Of course, everything in that map is about 1.5x the size of caradia, and it's about to now be 1.5x the length and 2.5x the width. But this is just an example of the amount of land you can expect.... not very great example at all considering I couldn't zoom in before the editor crashed, but you know....

[muiehaha]

Good work.. I think u should speak with Hegemony mod team to borrow the map..I think that map should be the right map. Tou i like ur map cuz is one big map..nice work EBIN

[Pierce Elliot]

The Hegemony map is very big, but it covers all of Europe, and I only want the area from part of italy and sicilia all the way to the middle of Persian territory. Oh yeah, and I'm going to finish the Flatland map later today hopefully. I have the list on the first post of what I have done, and what is being done. I have the general Placeholders done, and I have finished detailing the "Flatland" versions of Crete and Italia. And I can't see anyone getting excited over the little flat pices of land, so I didn't bother with screen shots. And I probably won't until I get the Greek area done, cause that might actually stimulate some excitement.