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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2009, 02:45:45 PM »
Good, the last one you posted, what is it really, like a spear, was it a militia weapon or military weapon?

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2009, 06:56:40 PM »
you mean the halberd?

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2009, 10:16:00 PM »
you mean the halberd?

No, the pic before, I have never seen those before.
They look interesting.
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2009, 11:38:49 PM »
Checking better (and with some suggest), i guess that halbeards are later than the historical period we choosed. I'm pretty sure about the "Ronconi"

I think most polearms was spears and lances.

Here are some other weapons:

Maces:
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Some kind of swords:

One hand sword:
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Bastard sword:
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Italian bastard Sword:
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German Bastard Sword:
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Axe:
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Light crossbow:
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Heavy crossbow with cranks:
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Armours:

Kettle hat (1200÷1500)
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Kettle hat (1200÷1300)
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Archer salades:
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Norman helm (in use in north Italy too)
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Infantry gamberson:
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Enough for now  :mrgreen:
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2009, 12:16:26 AM »
Wow, nice work, you have done your homework today.  :wink:

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2009, 01:51:41 AM »
I have now made a full list of the weapons and armors you guys have posted, and I will update the list everytime someone shows me pics.
Also wrote whats done and not done.

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2009, 03:04:12 AM »
if you guys need some daggers,

i have a few.

and could make some more.

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2009, 07:53:52 AM »
I'm no expert on the history of Italian medieval warfare, but I'm fairly certain that many of the items shown in this thread only appeared after the suggested time-frame for this mod. 

-The bascinet only evolved in the 14th century, http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_bascinet.html
 while the barbutta and sallet (salade)  were 15th century helms. 

-There may have been halberds in the 13th century, but I have yet to find any specific references to them (again, not that I've spent a ton of time researching that)- though I see Angorod has said this too
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-plate protection, such as cuisses, cuirasses, spaulders, gorgets, etc. did not exist in 1257.  Poleyns did exist, though they would have been uncommon, as well as shynbalds and couters.

-the types of padded jacks shown are also more like the 14th century, I think.  Here's a description of 13th century gambesons:
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General list of 13th century equipment: http://cunnan.sca.org.au/wiki/13th_century_fighting_equipment

Anyway, if we're prepared to ignore the time-period inaccuracies, I'm prepared to make some cool helms and armour.  If not, well... the Norman style helms are really cool too.
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*I also posted this in the research thread (I think), not sure which is more appropriate
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2009, 11:28:18 AM »
Well... I found that photos in http://www.storiaviva.it/living_history_shop_riproduzioni_artigianali_e_repliche_storiche_62.htm. Sometimes proper ages are shown, sometimes not. So I had to research about some historical texts.

You guys take that you think is good for you. I'll post others as soon as I can  :mrgreen:
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2009, 01:00:38 PM »
if you guys need some daggers,

i have a few.

and could make some more.

i think that the 1st, the 3rd, the 4th and the 6th are good for our pourpose...


anyway i'm pretty sure that the barbute, the celata and the sallet was used even in that time period even tough they were not diffused...

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2009, 05:33:37 PM »


anyway i'm pretty sure that the barbute, the celata and the sallet was used even in that time period even tough they were not diffused...

I agree
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2009, 06:42:32 AM »


anyway i'm pretty sure that the barbute, the celata and the sallet was used even in that time period even tough they were not diffused...

I agree

I'm quite certain they weren't around at this period.  The bascinet evolved from the cervelle in the 14th century, and by the mid to second half the hounskull type bascinet appeared.  There is no debate that barbuttas and sallets only appeared during the 15th century, evolving from the bascinet.  The prevalence of these helms during the 15th, but not the 13th and 14th, was not simply an esthetic choice.

Similarily, transitional armour like the Churburg #13 armour (ie with a steel breastplate, full arm and leg harness) appeared at the end of the 14th century, although a hodgepodge of leather and plate reenforcements were being added throughout the century.

Again, I'm not against adding these types of items to the mod, but if we do, it will be very much at the expense of historical accuracy.  I think that even setting the mod in the late
14th century would be a stretch with sallets and barbuttes and plate armour.

What I'd like to know before making any more models, is what our priority is: cool armour and flexibility (like a century worth of historical elbow-room), or historical accuracy.  Either way, Rath0s should define the boundries and set some guidelines for the equipment that can and can't be added to the mod.

That's my two cents     :D
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2009, 07:38:16 AM »
Lets run a new poll.

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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2009, 11:59:19 AM »
I have some pics of italian soldiers that you might find useful.
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Re: Italy at War Equipment and 3D.
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2009, 12:06:08 PM »
Nice, we should make new animation for a crossbow with cranks.