Italy at War Equipment and 3D.

[Rath0s]

This thread is for the researchers to post pics of equipment, helmets, armors, weapons, shields etc... That shall be made.

The 3D models or textures will be posted here.

A fairly large armor and weapons list that shall be made.

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DONE
Gold mace.


NOT DONE
Skullcap with nasal.


NOT DONE
Some sort of short sword.


NOT DONE
Pick axe.


NOT DONE
Engraved Dagger.


DONE
Flanged Mace.


DONE
Facemask Helmet.


NOT DONE
Stilettos. (Not the highest priority.)


NOT DONE
Spuntones. (Not the highest priority.)


NOT DONE
Roncone.


NOT DONE
Halberds.


NOT DONE
Different types of maces. (1and 2 handed.)


NOT DONE
1-Handed Sword.


NOT DONE
Bastard Sword.


NOT DONE
Bastard Sword.


NOT DONE
Italian Bastard Sword.


NOT DONE
German Bastard Sword.


NOT DONE
1-Handed Axe.


NOT DONE
Light Crossbow.


NOT DONE
Heavy Crossbow with cranks.


NOT DONE
Kettle Hat.


NOT DONE
Kettle Hat.


NOT DONE
Archer Sallet.



NOT DONE
North Italian Norman Helmets.




NOT DONE
Norman Helmet with Nasal.



NOT DONE
Infantry Gambeson.





NOT DONE
Different types of Barbutas.





NOT DONE
Sallet/Celeta.



NOT DONE
Kettle Hat.



DONE
Kettle Hat.


NOT DONE
Archer Bascinets.






NOT DONE
The helmets on number 2 and 3.


NOT DONE
The helmet of the soldier in the middle.


DONE
Cerveliere.

[Rath0s]

The first helmet for the mod.

The reference pic.


Dont mind the fucked up bolts, it because of the angle of the view. 

Just added my own little touch to the helm.

[CinuzIta]

good job with that...i think that even a version without neckguard would be great too...

here's the images:

BARBUTA:

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CELATA:

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CHAPEL DE FER:

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[CinuzIta]

the archers used primarly open bascinets due to the possibility to aim accurately as the bascinets do not have visors...

the archers bascinet that is in BaW is okay, and if you want some others, here a photo of another one (you have to imagine it with a mail coif that cover the neck)..





or this one:



and this:



this is a bit later than the mod's time period:



and the last one:

[Rath0s]

As I have heard, the italians used the crossbow very much, is that true or not, im refering to pavise and genoese crossbowmen.

[CinuzIta]

As I have heard, the italians used the crossbow very much, is that true or not, im refering to pavise and genoese crossbowmen.

yes...the crossbow was used from a lot of italian cities during the middle age...a lot of cities (such as firenze, pisa, genova, milano etc) created groups of crossbowmen, equipped by the city itself...

but you have to note one thing: this groups were equipped by the city, and even if they were reknowned, they were a "special force": they were the exception, not the lot...this people were equipped and trained by their states and they were part of the middle class society...so, even if the crossbowmen were rinomated in italy, a lot of people in the armies (i'm referring to the peasants) used even the bow, for it economity and cause it required no training...

[Gaxleep]

Yep, there were many Italian mercenaries in foreign armies, especially the French in particular were famous the marksmen of Genoa.

[Rath0s]

As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

[Gaxleep]

As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

Almost. As CinuzIta said, train a crossbowman required more time and money compared to an archer.
But you must consider that many mercenary troops were veteran soldiers, with years of experience and battles in their past, so many of them  have started as archers and then became crossbowmen, because they worth more.

[Ambalon]

As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

Almost. As CinuzIta said, train a crossbowman required more time and money compared to an archer.
But you must consider that many mercenary troops were veteran soldiers, with years of experience and battles in their past, so many of them  have started as archers and then became crossbowmen, because they worth more.

You need a lot more of training to shoot a bow with the same accuracy you can shoot a crossbow. You'd have to start shooting as a kid to be experienced with a longbow by the time you were an adult. Crossbows are special because they require no training at all. It's just "pull the string, lock it, place the bolt and fire"

[CinuzIta]

As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

Almost. As CinuzIta said, train a crossbowman required more time and money compared to an archer.
But you must consider that many mercenary troops were veteran soldiers, with years of experience and battles in their past, so many of them  have started as archers and then became crossbowmen, because they worth more.

You need a lot more of training to shoot a bow with the same accuracy you can shoot a crossbow. You'd have to start shooting as a kid to be experienced with a longbow by the time you were an adult. Crossbows are special because they require no training at all. It's just "pull the string, lock it, place the bolt and fire"

yeah, but you have to consider that the crossbowmen that were trained to cover that role, were trained to use tactics, RELOAD MORE FASTER and they received even a formal melee training, in a few words, they were trained to do things a normal peasant,armed with a bow, couldn't do...a peasant holding a bow was using the weapon he used to protect his sheep, or to hunt...so they actually the peasants WERE skilled enough with the bow, even if they used a normal bow, instead of the welsh longbow...in italy there wasn't an archery tradition as there it was in wales, or england for example

[Gaxleep]

As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

Almost. As CinuzIta said, train a crossbowman required more time and money compared to an archer.
But you must consider that many mercenary troops were veteran soldiers, with years of experience and battles in their past, so many of them  have started as archers and then became crossbowmen, because they worth more.

You need a lot more of training to shoot a bow with the same accuracy you can shoot a crossbow. You'd have to start shooting as a kid to be experienced with a longbow by the time you were an adult. Crossbows are special because they require no training at all. It's just "pull the string, lock it, place the bolt and fire"

yeah, but you have to consider that the crossbowmen that were trained to cover that role, were trained to use tactics, RELOAD MORE FASTER and they received even a formal melee training, in a few words, they were trained to do things a normal peasant,armed with a bow, couldn't do...a peasant holding a bow was using the weapon he used to protect his sheep, or to hunt...so they actually the peasants WERE skilled enough with the bow, even if they used a normal bow, instead of the welsh longbow...in italy there wasn't an archery tradition as there it was in wales, or england for example

Bingo.
That's it 

[Ambalon]

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As I understood, you say that the crossbows was used by the best and bow by the poor/low tier unit.

Almost. As CinuzIta said, train a crossbowman required more time and money compared to an archer.
But you must consider that many mercenary troops were veteran soldiers, with years of experience and battles in their past, so many of them  have started as archers and then became crossbowmen, because they worth more.

You need a lot more of training to shoot a bow with the same accuracy you can shoot a crossbow. You'd have to start shooting as a kid to be experienced with a longbow by the time you were an adult. Crossbows are special because they require no training at all. It's just "pull the string, lock it, place the bolt and fire"

yeah, but you have to consider that the crossbowmen that were trained to cover that role, were trained to use tactics, RELOAD MORE FASTER and they received even a formal melee training, in a few words, they were trained to do things a normal peasant,armed with a bow, couldn't do...a peasant holding a bow was using the weapon he used to protect his sheep, or to hunt...so they actually the peasants WERE skilled enough with the bow, even if they used a normal bow, instead of the welsh longbow...in italy there wasn't an archery tradition as there it was in wales, or england for example

Only the best crossbowmen were trained in melee, training the ranged guy to fight as well as a guy who stands in a shield wall is a waste of time. Still, the fastest crossbow shooter wouldn't shoot half the speed of a longbowman (pulled this number out of my arse, though I'm pretty sure it's close to it). Also, you're comparing well trained crossbowman with peasant archers. And yes, the peasants were skilled with bows because they practiced with them from young age.

[Gaxleep]

Ambalon, are you talking about english troops or italian troops ? 'cause is not the same thing...

[Ambalon]

Last I heard they were all humans, though I may be wrong.
That aside, a good "longbowman" doesn't depend on nationality. It just happens that england had more of them. A lot more.