If the Germans had refocused their advances and aimed solely for the Baku oil fields and Moscow, they would have probably dealt the Russian a far more serious blow than they would have.
Archonsod said:Yes. Invade DURING THE ****ING SUMMER.Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:So, is there any conceivable way to invade, defeat, and occupy Russia? I have been thinking about this for around a year now and I still have not found a solution that does not require the use of nuclear weaponry, which I, and indeed, most of us, would like to avoid using.
Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:Archonsod said:Yes. Invade DURING THE ****ING SUMMER.Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:So, is there any conceivable way to invade, defeat, and occupy Russia? I have been thinking about this for around a year now and I still have not found a solution that does not require the use of nuclear weaponry, which I, and indeed, most of us, would like to avoid using.
They did, actually. It's just things got a little tied up, and then they were stuck there for the winter.
And pushing them too far east wouldn't work, as, if I remember, the Russians had moved a extraordiniary amount of their industry into Siberia before, when the Germans had already taken many of their industrial centers.
They drove the Russians before them without a setback. It was only once the winter set in that they began to falter, particularly in December when the temperature caused the German vehicles to sieze up. Just look at the casualty figures - the Germans lost far more men to the cold than they did to Russians.stygN said:I would say this is something to debate. I have not heard that if they had launched 2 months earlier they'd crush the Russians 100% sure.
No, The Germans outnumbered the Russians. In 1941 Stalin did not have a large army anywhere, let alone in Siberia. It wasn't until mid - late 1942 that the Soviet economy could ramp up to a war footing.And you also say that the massive army Stalin had in Siberia had nothing to do with the defeat of the Germans?
Erm, after the reinforcements the Red Army had an advantage in manpower over the Germans of around 100,000 men, barely a 10% advantage. They had far less armour and artillery, and thanks to German reinforcement the Luftwaffe had regained air superiority over the Soviets.The winter and the bad planning is of course the main factors, but without reinforcements from Siberia the Germans would have a fair chance in Moscow and Stalingrad, even with lord Winter smashing them.
Nope. Mud was a problem, but the German engines siezed up in the cold. They abandoned far more vehicles than were destroyed by the Soviets purely because the weather rendered them inoperable. It hampered their logistics, preventing fuel and munitions being supplied at anything like what was needed, and perhaps the killing blow was the grounding of the Luftwaffe (weather was a problem for the Soviets too, but they had various tricks to keep their planes running).AFAIK, mud slowed down the Germans more then snow and frost did...
The end of Summer. It's Hitler's fault really, he demanded they secure the Ukraine rather than continue the advance.Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:They did, actually. It's just things got a little tied up, and then they were stuck there for the winter.
Industry yes. Shame all the oil is in the West ....And pushing them too far east wouldn't work, as, if I remember, the Russians had moved a extraordiniary amount of their industry into Siberia before, when the Germans had already taken many of their industrial centers.
Greece actually. The soldiers Hitler deployed to counter the attempted Greek uprising were the same one's earmarked for Barbarossa.Mirror said:And they wanted to attack even earlier. But, with Yugoslavia messing them around they had to postpone it.
No, The Germans outnumbered the Russians. In 1941 Stalin did not have a large army anywhere, let alone in Siberia. It wasn't until mid - late 1942 that the Soviet economy could ramp up to a war footing.
Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:However, Napoleon's invasion set precedent for the next invasions, as it was there that the Russians revealed their main tactic: slash and burn, retreat, wait till General Winter, their most deadly ally, sets in, harass, then advance. Even when the Germans invaded, wise of Napoleon's mistake, they could not take Russia.
hyperion said:Don Doggy said:But most of them are old, from the 70s/80s so the quality is rather poor.hyperion said:You are aware that Russia is the country with THE largest nuclear stockpile?
They have enough bombs to glass the entire planet.
They're still nukes.
Don Doggy said:hyperion said:Don Doggy said:But most of them are old, from the 70s/80s so the quality is rather poor.hyperion said:You are aware that Russia is the country with THE largest nuclear stockpile?
They have enough bombs to glass the entire planet.
They're still nukes.
OLD nukes and unreliable nukes because russian standards are not that high.
dubaiboy said:if i was to invade russian i would nuke it then take over it after the radio active radiation went or was cleaned
Revilo said:Why bother invading atall? Just let them sit around drinking vodka, violating women and getting into fights with eacho....
Oh.
lordwolf17 said:Revilo said:Why bother invading atall? Just let them sit around drinking vodka, violating women and getting into fights with eacho....
Oh.
its like me saying to someone from US "go eat mcdonald's, watch porn, and invade iraq"....
Mirror said:lordwolf17 said:Revilo said:Why bother invading atall? Just let them sit around drinking vodka, violating women and getting into fights with eacho....
Oh.
its like me saying to someone from US "go eat mcdonald's, watch porn, and invade iraq"....
You're saying they don't?
You're destroying everything I know.
I had no idea watching Porn was a US trait though.
siprus said:russian is too big to be invaded by any nation. you can take parts of it but you can't take it as whole.
but you can try run for a president...(of course you need fake your identity quit well and you might need to fix election and do plenty of other stuff... and most likely you would fail)
but really... not worth trying. you'd need to use more resources than you would gain.
Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:Mirror said:lordwolf17 said:Revilo said:Why bother invading atall? Just let them sit around drinking vodka, violating women and getting into fights with eacho....
Oh.
its like me saying to someone from US "go eat mcdonald's, watch porn, and invade iraq"....
You're saying they don't?
You're destroying everything I know.
I had no idea watching Porn was a US trait though.
I was under the impression that that was a universal trait.