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Imperial Troops - Stats and Tactics
« on: February 21, 2009, 01:56:55 AM »
From all subjects posted around, I couldn't find one more focused on the Imperial Expeditionary Force
By the end of my campaign, thanks to the Rhodoks prisoners, I finally had the chance of the full set of the Legion force

I just put the cost and some other info together in one (and for mounted troops, the showing the mount category)

Foot Soldier upgrade:
  Velites -> Hestatii -> Principes -> Triarii

Mounted Soldier upgrade:
  Lancearii -> Conttorii -> Cataphractii

Mounted Archer:
  Sagittarii


















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In the beginning of the Invasion
A full strength Centurion is around 170-180 troops, where 75-80% are foot soldiers
Velites and Hestatii are all equipped with javelins, they don't use them that often, but it really hurts when hit on target
The only real missile troop is the 'Sagittarii', kind of wild card, very versatile, good at siege defense and real pain to catch him on the plain (he's on courser mount)
The particularity of all foot soldiers: they all excel in Shielding and relatively well armor-protected, like the Nords, instead of axes, it's javelin and sword/spear, making the siege by real brute force less easier

I finished the campaign with Adenian, ending up with my hero level 41, relying on power strike and horse archery.
When I encounter the Legion fight (pure one, without it mixing with other converted faction lords)
1. I choose whether possible the battleground on plain for my mounted troops (I don't use any foot soldiers)
2. Station if possible my troop on a favorable place to charge
3. My hero go solo ahead to harass the enemy formation, usually they come at your troop in a very orderly way, long line of infantry with couple of mounted ones concentrated in the middle, and the centurion(s), who is mounted on warhorse, no shield and big long 2-hand weapon.
4. Horse archer as much as possible in this order, the centurion (giving you 520xp if you knock him out), then de-horse enemy cavalry, the light-armored but fast one
5. ammo out, then charge to and fro with a very very long range lance for couched damage (usually either one hit one kill or one hit one shield broken)
6. Behind the enemy line, make the enemy troop facing you, time your attack to let your cavalry charge enemy infantry unguarded
7. charge (I'm riding heavy charger) through pack shall any cavalry in trouble to free
8. If safe enough, start chasing and de-horsing again the remaining enemy mounted troop, for these units really divert your main force into their chase

If in case of Legion and Mix lords together, we really have some interesting tactical game to fight one. And the one which I found the most dreadful, is a solid legion coming with a full strength Khergit lord together, it's a real pain, my cavalry just start running to all directions, becoming an easy isolated prey.

Mainly my view is for cavalry tactics, I would be glad someone sharing other experience with different context/powerplay, like heavy infantry on Legion, Sharpshooter on Legion, etc  :D

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Re: Imperial Troops - Stats and Tactics
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 06:08:36 AM »
I really appreciate you sharing this info with us, Shjn. I'm using an all-cavalry army myself, so I don't have anything to add.

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Re: Imperial Troops - Stats and Tactics
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 06:49:15 AM »
Nice. The Triarii use khergit armor... but it is still strong. The thing is their infatry's lowest tier is level 9 and then 20 and then 30, so upgrades for them are fast and they techniaclly have no 1st tier troops, they start out as 2nd tier in terms of strength.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 09:36:24 AM »
Nice. The Triarii use khergit armor... but it is still strong. The thing is their infatry's lowest tier is level 9 and then 20 and then 30, so upgrades for them are fast and they techniaclly have no 1st tier troops, they start out as 2nd tier in terms of strength.

Yep, if you feel the challenge, you can find 70+ Triarii deserters rampaging, good xp 320/head. And some do come with spear, rarely but they do, they can stop your charge abruptly if you miss-attack with your couched lance

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 01:14:00 PM »
Very good topic... I just cleared forum from stickies but it really deserves one. Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 01:37:42 PM »
Very good topic... I just cleared forum from stickies but it really deserves one. Thanks.

I'm honored to have a stickie with my only topic till present, you're more than welcome, btw, great enjoyment and challenge for playing and finishing this mod.

I'll try to fight retro-actively some battle (old saves) to try to get some good shots of the Centurions (mounted and on foot)  :)

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 10:06:57 PM »
As promised, some glimpse of our be-hated centurions
Not easy to screen them during real fight situation... fortunately, I can afford to lose this battle :)

Could someone be kind enough (and knowledgeable as well) to post the centurion's stat
Well I nearly capture them all by the end of my campaign, but none would be willing to swear allegiance to me  :(

So all my thanks in advance to help completing the Legion set




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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 10:41:28 PM »
From all subjects posted around, I couldn't find one more focused on the Imperial Expeditionary Force
By the end of my campaign, thanks to the Rhodoks prisoners, I finally had the chance of the full set of the Legion force

I just put the cost and some other info together in one (and for mounted troops, the showing the mount category)

Foot Soldier upgrade:
  Velites -> Hestatii -> Principes -> Triarii

Mounted Soldier upgrade:
  Lancearii -> Conttorii -> Cataphractii

Mounted Archer:
  Sagittarii


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In the beginning of the Invasion
A full strength Centurion is around 170-180 troops, where 75-80% are foot soldiers
Velites and Hestatii are all equipped with javelins, they don't use them that often, but it really hurts when hit on target
The only real missile troop is the 'Sagittarii', kind of wild card, very versatile, good at siege defense and real pain to catch him on the plain (he's on courser mount)
The particularity of all foot soldiers: they all excel in Shielding and relatively well armor-protected, like the Nords, instead of axes, it's javelin and sword/spear, making the siege by real brute force less easier

I finished the campaign with Adenian, ending up with my hero level 41, relying on power strike and horse archery.
When I encounter the Legion fight (pure one, without it mixing with other converted faction lords)
1. I choose whether possible the battleground on plain for my mounted troops (I don't use any foot soldiers)
2. Station if possible my troop on a favorable place to charge
3. My hero go solo ahead to harass the enemy formation, usually they come at your troop in a very orderly way, long line of infantry with couple of mounted ones concentrated in the middle, and the centurion(s), who is mounted on warhorse, no shield and big long 2-hand weapon.
4. Horse archer as much as possible in this order, the centurion (giving you 520xp if you knock him out), then de-horse enemy cavalry, the light-armored but fast one
5. ammo out, then charge to and fro with a very very long range lance for couched damage (usually either one hit one kill or one hit one shield broken)
6. Behind the enemy line, make the enemy troop facing you, time your attack to let your cavalry charge enemy infantry unguarded
7. charge (I'm riding heavy charger) through pack shall any cavalry in trouble to free
8. If safe enough, start chasing and de-horsing again the remaining enemy mounted troop, for these units really divert your main force into their chase

If in case of Legion and Mix lords together, we really have some interesting tactical game to fight one. And the one which I found the most dreadful, is a solid legion coming with a full strength Khergit lord together, it's a real pain, my cavalry just start running to all directions, becoming an easy isolated prey.

Mainly my view is for cavalry tactics, I would be glad someone sharing other experience with different context/powerplay, like heavy infantry on Legion, Sharpshooter on Legion, etc  :D

Thanks for posting the stats.  If you want to talk strategy, check out our Cheap Tricks and Good Strategies thread.  Its full of discussions on how to take the Legion and many other civilizations.

Thanks,

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hay wud up guys u shud mak a mod about lyk stuff i dunno wut but it wuld b kool lyk mabe gangstas were u start ur gang n fite mofos huh

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 01:21:23 AM »
As promised, some glimpse of our be-hated centurions
Not easy to screen them during real fight situation... fortunately, I can afford to lose this battle :)

Could someone be kind enough (and knowledgeable as well) to post the centurion's stat
Well I nearly capture them all by the end of my campaign, but none would be willing to swear allegiance to me  :(

So all my thanks in advance to help completing the Legion set


Wow... You certainly do have some good image editorial skills. That centurion in gallope looks marvelous and I like whole composition. Could You maybe make a signature for SoD based on this? It should state Sword of Damocles - Invasion with esthetic but not too fancy letters. And if You find some space within allowed signature size it could also have one both statements :Become a King, Repel Invasion.
If You do agree and have some time it would be great... The sig shouldn't be at maximum allowed height I suppose because many people like to put some text lines as I noted.
Wherever You are going to make or not I wanted to thank You for really nice job with the imperials.

P.S.
Now I feel like really asking much... But Could You also make new troops screenshots? If yes see my last post in Troops thread.

Cheers

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Re: Imperial Troops - Stats and Tactics
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 08:05:19 AM »
Nice. The Triarii use khergit armor... but it is still strong. The thing is their infatry's lowest tier is level 9 and then 20 and then 30, so upgrades for them are fast and they techniaclly have no 1st tier troops, they start out as 2nd tier in terms of strength.

Yep, if you feel the challenge, you can find 70+ Triarii deserters rampaging, good xp 320/head. And some do come with spear, rarely but they do, they can stop your charge abruptly if you miss-attack with your couched lance
I have never seen deserter parties above 40 units... and I hear some people talking (well one person I guess, not you) about deserter parties that are over 100 units! (he was complaining about his lords getting defeated by them)
I have had a lord get defeated by looters before...

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2009, 01:29:37 PM »
Nice. The Triarii use khergit armor... but it is still strong. The thing is their infatry's lowest tier is level 9 and then 20 and then 30, so upgrades for them are fast and they techniaclly have no 1st tier troops, they start out as 2nd tier in terms of strength.

Yep, if you feel the challenge, you can find 70+ Triarii deserters rampaging, good xp 320/head. And some do come with spear, rarely but they do, they can stop your charge abruptly if you miss-attack with your couched lance
I have never seen deserter parties above 40 units... and I hear some people talking (well one person I guess, not you) about deserter parties that are over 100 units! (he was complaining about his lords getting defeated by them)
I have had a lord get defeated by looters before...


I just started a new game, and just as I had gotten my first castle, I saw a 50 man deserter party consisting of nord vet archers roaming around there. First time I've seen them so big.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2009, 10:35:13 PM »
Nice. The Triarii use khergit armor... but it is still strong. The thing is their infatry's lowest tier is level 9 and then 20 and then 30, so upgrades for them are fast and they techniaclly have no 1st tier troops, they start out as 2nd tier in terms of strength.

Yep, if you feel the challenge, you can find 70+ Triarii deserters rampaging, good xp 320/head. And some do come with spear, rarely but they do, they can stop your charge abruptly if you miss-attack with your couched lance
I have never seen deserter parties above 40 units... and I hear some people talking (well one person I guess, not you) about deserter parties that are over 100 units! (he was complaining about his lords getting defeated by them)
I have had a lord get defeated by looters before...


I just started a new game, and just as I had gotten my first castle, I saw a 50 man deserter party consisting of nord vet archers roaming around there. First time I've seen them so big.
I take that back... just saw a vaegrier deserter party with 54. I have never seen one with over 60...

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 01:08:24 AM »
I've seen up to around 80. That was after importing a high level character.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2009, 10:17:32 AM »
They usually increase in size as the game continues.  I have seen them in huge parties as well, although I must admit that they never really do me any harm.  I think its because by the time they get 50 or 60 strong, I usually have at least 100+ elite units in my party plus some patrols.  So, why would they touch me???

Anyway, I like the fact that these parties swell in size, it gives me something to defeat when I'm looking for quick cash and some nice items.

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hay wud up guys u shud mak a mod about lyk stuff i dunno wut but it wuld b kool lyk mabe gangstas were u start ur gang n fite mofos huh

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 04:26:19 PM »
They usually increase in size as the game continues.  I have seen them in huge parties as well, although I must admit that they never really do me any harm.  I think its because by the time they get 50 or 60 strong, I usually have at least 100+ elite units in my party plus some patrols.  So, why would they touch me???

Anyway, I like the fact that these parties swell in size, it gives me something to defeat when I'm looking for quick cash and some nice items.

FS
I am at day 310, I wonder if time increases their size how big they would be at day 1,000.