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« on: January 22, 2009, 03:12:41 PM »

Post any suggestions you might have for future versions of the 1257 Edition here.

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 09:51:01 PM »
hi! :)

i was thinkin'....have you ever thought changin' the rhodok in a more filo-polish faction?? in this way you could add another type of strong cavalry that can match the swadian one...and more you could keep the pseudo-lithuanian units as "ausiliaries"..so..what you say? :)

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 09:56:33 PM »
I sometimes indeed wish for engagements between knights, maybe another "western"-looking faction? though that would probably mean making another map...

Speaking of which, ever considered some sort of formations ? For heavy cavalry, like the Swadian's at least, it kinda bugs me to see the knights charge in total disorder and not in some sort of tight conroi...

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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 09:59:50 PM »
i was thinkin'....have you ever thought changin' the rhodok in a more filo-polish faction?? in this way you could add another type of strong cavalry that can match the swadian one...and more you could keep the pseudo-lithuanian units as "ausiliaries"..so..what you say? :)
This could work for me, but I'm not sure if it's really necessary. The "Lithuanian" feel of the Rhodoks is really compelling and does the job very well.

And this is obvious, I hope. In XIIIth century Poland and Lithuania were more like enemies than allies. :)
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 10:04:06 PM »
yes but after the lithuanian's coversion they became ally....but i do not remember well in wich year this happened  :P

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 10:11:54 PM »
Poland and Lithuania were unified by the person of Lithuanian Grand Duke Jogaila after the Union of Krewo in 1385 A.D. which stated that the union will occur only if Lithuania converts to catholicism and Jogaila marries Polish queen Jadwiga. In return, Jogaila was guaranteed to reclaim his lost lands, including Eastern Pomerania, then controlled by the Teutonic Order. Jogaila is also known as Wladislaus Jagiello or Wladislaus II of Poland.

So if the mod takes place in 1257 A.D., a separate faction should be created for Poland. In that year unified Poland was still recovering from a two hundred years' period of fragmentation into small duchies.
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Re: Suggestions
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 10:12:45 PM »
Very well, can you please make teutons now? tnx

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 10:13:20 PM »
Very well, can you please make teutons now? tnx

What do you mean ?
The Swadians already kinda play that role, don't they ?

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 10:39:02 PM »
maybe he wanted to say the holy roman empire... :)

but if it is as this...the swadian are very similar to it

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 12:08:21 AM »
maybe he wanted to say the holy roman empire... :)

Oh yea, silly me, that's probable...

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but if it is as this...the swadian are very similar to it

Well, the Swadians are a religious order as it is now, so the main difference would be in that overpowering presence of crosses on shields and surcoats :p

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 12:49:29 AM »
Custom texture with black T or a black cross on a surcoat and horse barding i meant. or both

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 09:39:03 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. I won't be able to comment on every suggestion but I will be sure to consider them all for future updates. Keep them coming. :)

The territory of the Teutonic Order would be beyond the borders of this map if we take it to be based roughly on the Baltic states of today... the Livonian Order, as mentioned before was by then incorporated into the Teutonic, but left autonomous. Hence no actual teutonic knights, or half brothers with Ts on them... The Holy Roman Empire would be even further away.

This is also partly why the Rhodoks are based more on the Lithuanians and native Prussians than the Poles. The Lithuanians are especially interesting because they put up a resistance even on the religious front; being pretty much the last European people to convert to Christianity.

I sometimes indeed wish for engagements between knights, maybe another "western"-looking faction? though that would probably mean making another map...

Speaking of which, ever considered some sort of formations ? For heavy cavalry, like the Swadian's at least, it kinda bugs me to see the knights charge in total disorder and not in some sort of tight conroi...

Yeah, another Western faction would be fun. It would be something for another map, there is this idea I've been playing with...

The great thing about the historical setup in the Baltic is that each faction can be a different culture, which at the moment, as we haven't got the possibility of realistically moving banners, helps overcome the difficulty of keeping apart your own troops from the enemy in a time where troops weren't wearing real uniforms and knights all had their individual heraldry.

Conrois - personally, I give my cavalry the order to "stand closer" and hope for the best... the current implementation of the formations mod has a couple of problems with it, which is why it isn't in there yet, as opposed to morale, which will be in the next update. Maybe we'll find a solution in the future.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 12:41:40 PM »
Conrois - personally, I give my cavalry the order to "stand closer" and hope for the best... the current implementation of the formations mod has a couple of problems with it, which is why it isn't in there yet, as opposed to morale, which will be in the next update. Maybe we'll find a solution in the future.

Imho, the problem lays mainly with the Ai handling its heavy cavalry. ie sending them isolated on suicide charges.
Somewhat related, I find that the side that is at a numerical disadvantage charges headlong too often, instead of drawing into a defensive formation...

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 01:03:28 PM »
Not that many suggestions for this mod really, since I think visually it's spot on and really well balanced anyway. More variety of mercenaries would be nice though, and a good way of throwing open a few more countries from the wider world.

In addition, a change in AI would obviously be great, but I doubt if it's really possible - Nords should regularly just use the hold position and advance commands though, so that they move in a rough approximation of a shield wall.

Some new different varieties of great helm would be nice, as well as some of the spiky choppers from the Maciejowski bible. Some tunics and other civilian clothes would be good, both for low ranking footsoldiers and for people in taverns and lords in their castles. The dagged edge gambesons from the Maciejowski bible are cool as well. In fact, I assume you might already know of this, but a good visual source for items for this mod would be:

http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/maciejowski_bible.htm

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 01:12:33 PM »
In agreement with the post above.
Also, maybe non -white gambissons. Maybe not the orange or blue ones that can be seen in the Meciejowski bible, that probably are coloured thus just for the aesthetical value, emulating the looks of the knights themselves, but brownish stuff, perharps?
And kettle hats on some of the knights and swadian knights... (maybe there are some, but I don't recall seeing any)




(also: painted kettle hats pls ? :p :monomaniac: )