Fate and Free Will?

Cleaning Agent said:

Slight generalisation? 

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Very much so, most the main polytheistic religion everyone thinks about with the titans, Zeus, Chronos and Oranos supports fate. The Egyptian relgion supported   free will and a decided after life. The monotheistic religions I refer to are Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Satanic worshipers. They all believe in the same god. They all support free will. The three main have opposing view on god's rules, prophets and divine plans. They all support free will and a decided afterlife. Satanic worshipers support free will, but believe they control our afterlives, fighting a "evil" god. The theologically logical choice is satanic worship, since you have control of your eternity and you can't die, because your already immortal.

Ursca said:

Free will is a misnomer. I can't think of a way in which it could exist without being determinist or random.

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Me neither haha. But then, experience isn't really understood. ****ed if I know where it is anyway.

Papa Lazarou said:

If fate exists, then you can't decide on a position. If free will exists, then you can. Thus, you should believe in free will. There is no benefit to believing in fate if it exists, and even if there were, it's irrelevant since you can't choose it anyway.

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There's no particular benefit in believing in free will either, unless you're capable of seeing the future.


The problem is, everything in the universe, from light to the electrical signals flashing through your brain, are made up of tiny elements which move according to set patterns, and thus can be predicted.

You'll forgive me if I don't bother.

I believe in one God and fate. Which I guess contradicts some of the above ideas but anyhow.

My entire opinion on those who believe in fate is based upon this quote that's (supposedly) from Stephen Hawking:

I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.

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Cymro said:

My entire opinion on those who believe in fate is based upon this quote that's (supposedly) from Stephen Hawking:

I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.

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Trying to avoid fate while crossing the road doesn't aways help : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b46_1203288992

Other people seem to find order in chaos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o5iitkB_nE

And other people might just be damn lucky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIt0dtPkBoY

I suppose in a way I believe in fate. Everything that you are is built by your experiances and a lot by other people so in that sense we don't get any choice becuase we aren't just ourselves. Which sounds retarded but I can't think of how to phrase it right.