Reference Pictures: Illyria

[Lynores]

Same deal, post any interesting material, please. If I get enough, they'll probably be implemented. No pictures from other games, please, only viable references.

[Gabe123]

an Illyrian helmet off of wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Illyrian_helmet_1.jpg
(if you own "Warfare in the Classical World" by John Warry or know of a copy you could look through, it has a few good pictures of Illyrian helmets and some thessalian warriors, as well as many other good drawings)

This site has a few good pictures of Illyrian warriors with good shield details. I don't know how "viable" this reference is but the pictures seem legit:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/Illyrians.html

Also, according to wikipedia (so who knows exactly how accurate this is) "The Illyrians[4] used javelins[5] and oval shields but no armor or greaves except for the elite. They used Negau helmets, Pot helmets with a rim, wicker helmets with metal plates also called disc and stud helmets.[6] and adopted the Ancient Greek "Illyrian" type helmet. Overall, they functioned as a military variant of the peltasts. They used short spears, single-handed axes that could be hurled, and swords. They used only open faced helmets and they resembled Celtic equipment of the Hallstatt culture to a great degree.[7]"
[thats @: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_warfare]

another random site with pictures of greek armor has this Illyrian helmet:
http://www.edgarlowen.com/b1094.jpg

[Kiivit]

Wikipedia is actually surprisingly viable resource for things like this.

By checking the article's sources you can find huge quantities of information.

[Gabe123]

Don't get me wrong, I love wikipedia. I'm just not necessarily gonna take what it says as undisputed truth.

[Kiivit]

You're right, you take these as indisputable truth

# ^ Borza, Eugene N. In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon, 1990, p. 180, ISBN 0691008809. Amyntas had barely seized the throne in 394/3 when he found his kingdom under attack by a powerful Illyrian force, probably led by Bardylis, king of the Dardanii.
# ^ Harding, p. 93. Grabos became the most powerful Illyrian king after the death of Bardylis in 358.
# ^ Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075. ...Illyrian success continued when command passed to Agron's widow Teuta, who granted individual ships a licence to universal plunder. In 231 ac the fleet and army attacked Ells and Messenia ..."
# ^ Papazoglu, Fanula. The central Balkan tribes in pre-Roman times: Triballi, Autariatae, Dardanians, Scordisci and Moesians', 1978, Figure 20, p. 663, ISBN-10: 9025607934. "Silver belt-plate, beginning or first half of second century BC, possibly depicting Scordiscian warriors, from Gostilje."


Illyrian Soldiers/Equipment

[Merlkir]

yeah, this looks good, mostly the same stuff we found some while ago for Hegemony. Just be aware of albanian nationalists. They spam everything they see with "Illyria" on it.

(if you haven't experienced it before, here, have a laugh

http://www.topix.com/forum/science/anthropology/T8MK37732KQSVVVSU

(it' basically the same as with Makedonians believing they're actually Macedonians. Youtube is full of their arguments with Greeks who "stole" their history

[Gabe123]

You're right, you take these as indisputable truth

# ^ Borza, Eugene N. In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon, 1990, p. 180, ISBN 0691008809. Amyntas had barely seized the throne in 394/3 when he found his kingdom under attack by a powerful Illyrian force, probably led by Bardylis, king of the Dardanii.
# ^ Harding, p. 93. Grabos became the most powerful Illyrian king after the death of Bardylis in 358.
# ^ Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075. ...Illyrian success continued when command passed to Agron's widow Teuta, who granted individual ships a licence to universal plunder. In 231 ac the fleet and army attacked Ells and Messenia ..."
# ^ Papazoglu, Fanula. The central Balkan tribes in pre-Roman times: Triballi, Autariatae, Dardanians, Scordisci and Moesians', 1978, Figure 20, p. 663, ISBN-10: 9025607934. "Silver belt-plate, beginning or first half of second century BC, possibly depicting Scordiscian warriors, from Gostilje."

I'm confused, are you saying that I take these as indisputable truth when I shouldn't, or are you saying that I should take these as indisputable truth when I'm not? Or are you just telling me to take these as undisputed truth?

[Merlkir]

You're right, you take these as indisputable truth

# ^ Borza, Eugene N. In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon, 1990, p. 180, ISBN 0691008809. Amyntas had barely seized the throne in 394/3 when he found his kingdom under attack by a powerful Illyrian force, probably led by Bardylis, king of the Dardanii.
# ^ Harding, p. 93. Grabos became the most powerful Illyrian king after the death of Bardylis in 358.
# ^ Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,ISBN 0631198075. ...Illyrian success continued when command passed to Agron's widow Teuta, who granted individual ships a licence to universal plunder. In 231 ac the fleet and army attacked Ells and Messenia ..."
# ^ Papazoglu, Fanula. The central Balkan tribes in pre-Roman times: Triballi, Autariatae, Dardanians, Scordisci and Moesians', 1978, Figure 20, p. 663, ISBN-10: 9025607934. "Silver belt-plate, beginning or first half of second century BC, possibly depicting Scordiscian warriors, from Gostilje."

I'm confused, are you saying that I take these as indisputable truth when I shouldn't, or are you saying that I should take these as indisputable truth when I'm not? Or are you just telling me to take these as undisputed truth?

this

[Gabe123]

cool

[Kiivit]

I was making a joke

I'm saying that don't trust Wikipedia... go look at their references and then search for them yourself.  If the article has good references, it's usually trustworthy.

Also Merlkir, I noticed that .  I found dozens of pictures of "Illyrians" that were very clearly Romans and Macedonians.  Pretty funny stuff.

I can't even finish reading that, merlkir.  Pretty hilarious.

[Merlkir]

Also Merlkir, I noticed that .  I found dozens of pictures of "Illyrians" that were very clearly Romans and Macedonians.  Pretty funny stuff.

I can't even finish reading that, merlkir.  Pretty hilarious.

didn't you know? the macedonians were an Illyrian tribe. Correction : an Illyro-Thracian tribe. No, no, sorry, I got it all wrong again, they were descendants of the ancient noble pelasgians!  (ehm..yeah.) It's funny how Albanians and Makedonians support each other one moment and try to kill each other the next one. Actually, one thing they agree on. Neither Makedonians nor Albanians have a single drop of slav blood in them (slavs, such lowly creatures from the barbaric north. No! we're the noble descendants of the great Illyrians, Macedonians and other minor cultures in the area that were definitely NOT Greek!) and the Greeks stole their history and btw the Greeks are either persian gypsies (....seriously. What? ) or subsaharan Africans.

Yeah.

Anyway, /nationalistm OT fun.

[Gabe123]

Here's another picture of Illyrians, according to Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/IllyrianwarriorsMaybeScordisci.gif

[Merlkir]

some helmets:

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stuff:




some reenactors:





(I'm just guessing, but they should be Illyrian judging from the pot helmets..)

http://www.hallstattzeit.de/Galerie/galerie.html

these are ok:

[Kiivit]

Wow, nice find Merlkir!

That axe looks unbelievably outdated though, lol

[Merlkir]

that hallstatt bronze axe would be a bit anachronistic, true. About 90 years (but you can actually see it depicted in the relief in this post)

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one more helmet:








some nice pics from the reenactment site.



http://www.hallstattzeit.de/Hoplite_gross.jpg