Starting choices effects on stats

Norfar · Dec 14, 2014

List is finished - its based on the game version 2.0 Reforged Edition (28.7.2015)

Also available on Steam:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=356134613

and in spreadsheet form with pickable options (credits to edwardecl)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPYr-GZxaDN9kvxx2SGfQl5AUysJ9AhSl4H84fTk5ig/edit?usp=sharing

BASE ATTRIBUTE VALUES:

str: 4

agi: 4

int: 4

cha: 5

STORYLINE CAMPAIGN:

+1 Sea King

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NATIONALITY:

Anglo-saxon; cha +2

foreigner: int +2

Scoto-Pict: agi +2

Briton: agi +1, cha +1

Irish: agi +2

Frisian: str +1, int +1

Norse: str +2

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GENDER:

male: str +4, agi +4

female: int +4, cha +4

also affects some other gender specific choices - see below
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HEIGHT:

tall: str +2

normal: str +1, agi +1

short: agi +2

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AGE:

young: str +4, agi +4

adult: str +3, agi+3, int+2, cha+2

old: int+3, cha+3

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PERSONALITY:

sanguine: str +1, cha +1

phlegmatic: int +2

melancholic: int +2, cha +1

choleric: int +1, cha +3

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VIRTUE:

wisdom: int +2

fortitude: str +1, cha +1; athletics skill +1

temperance: agi +1, int +1; ironflesh skill +1

justice: int +2, cha +1

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FATHER'S OCCUPATION:

Some choices are affected by gender

Choice\Skill | Sea King | Navig. | Iron. | P. strike | P. throw | P. draw | W. maint. | W. mastr. | Athl. | Riding | Loot. | Train. | Track. | Tactics | Path-F. | Spot. | Inv. Mang. | Wound Tr. | Surg. | F. Aid | Eng. | Persu. | Lead. | Trade
outlaw 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 0 0 +3 0 +4 0 +2 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
noble (MALE) 0 0 0 +2 0 0 +2 +1 -2 +2 0 +2 0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0
noble (FEMALE) 0 0 -2 0 0 0 +2 +1 0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0 +2 0 +2 +2 0
merchant 0 +2 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 +1 0 0 0 +2 0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 +4
craftsman 0 0 0 +2 -1 0 +4 0 0 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0 +2 0 0 0 +3 0 0 +2
priest 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 +2 +4 0 +2 0 +1
peasant (MALE) 0 0 0 +2 0 0 +1 0 +2 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0 +1 0 0 +2 0 0 0 +1
peasant (FEMALE) 0 0 -1 +1 0 0 +1 -1 0 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0 +4 +2 0 +2 0 0 0 +1
base values 0 0 5 2 4 0 1 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1

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LEARNT AS CHILD

Some choices are affected by gender

Choice\Skill | Sea King | Navig. | Iron. | P. strike | P. throw | P. draw | W. maint. | W. mastr. | Athl. | Riding | Loot. | Train. | Track. | Tactics | Path-F. | Spot. | Inv. Mang. | Wound Tr. | Surg. | F. Aid | Eng. | Persu. | Lead. | Trade
farming 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 0 +2 0 +2 +2 +1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
martial arts (MALE) 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 0 +1 0 +1 0 +1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 0
martial arts (FEMALE) 0 0 0 -1 -1 +1 0 +1 0 +1 0 +1 0 0 0 +2 0 0 0 0 0 +2 0 0
crafts 0 0 0 0 0 0 +1 +2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 0 0 0 +1 +1 +1 +1
oratory 0 0 0 -2 0 0 -1 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 +2 +2 0 +4 +2 +2
stealing 0 0 -2 -1 0 0 -1 +1 0 0 0 0 +3 0 +4 +2 0 0 0 0 0 +2 +1 0
base values 0 0 5 2 4 0 1 2 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1

Proficiency\Choice | farming | martial arts | crafts | oratory | stealing |
One H. Weapons 91 91 91 91 91
Two H. Weapons 72 91 72 72 72
Polearms 91 91 91 91 91
Archery 72 91 72 72 91
Crossbows 72 91 72 72 72
Throwing 91 91 91 72 91
Slings 91 91 91 91 91

moreover with oratory you can read

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VOCATION

priest: no effect on stats, can read

landowner: no effect on stats

hunter: power draw skill +2

traveler: no effect on stats

slave: no effect on stats

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RELIGION:
no effect on stats

edwardecl made a very useful spreadsheet as well

edwardecl said:
In spreadsheet form with pickable options.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aPYr-GZxaDN9kvxx2SGfQl5AUysJ9AhSl4H84fTk5ig/edit?usp=sharing

Save or import into your own docs to edit and use the drop down menus. Google Docs seems to have messed up the cell colours in one of the sheets, just ignore it . The data seems to be OK, import from ODS fail :/.

Happy powergaming

Kjertesvein · Dec 14, 2014

Does Bard or Priest option allow you to be able to read without learning it or start with a random book?

Norfar · Dec 14, 2014

List is finished i hope it will be of some use.

I apologize for any mistakes, also let me know if u find any.

@Kjertesvein
Good question, i didnt get the time to test this, mybe i will sometime in the future, who know

Clagius · Dec 14, 2014

Either Noble or Martial Arts choice gives you also one point to First Aid.

Norfar · Dec 14, 2014

Clagius said:
Either Noble or Martial Arts choice gives you also one point to First Aid.

That one point in first aid and some other skills points are given to the character regardless what choices u pick, thats why i didn't mention those

Daergarz · Dec 14, 2014

Nice work man, had no idea height even affected anything, especially that you are somehow penalized for being "normal" instead of some +1/+1 deal to balance the other +2 options. Weirdness!

Norfar · Dec 14, 2014

yea it is strange i wonder if that is a bug, also vocation could be bugged as well

kalarhan · Dec 14, 2014

Daergarz said:
Nice work man, had no idea height even affected anything, especially that you are somehow penalized for being "normal" instead of some +1/+1 deal to balance the other +2 options. Weirdness!

Height affects other stuff, like the chance you have to fall if you move backwards. Maybe even stamina...

edwardecl · Jan 8, 2015

If these stats are still current, what are the base stats, or how do you find in within the game files?

Reiksmarshal · Jan 8, 2015

So wait normal doesn't give +1 str +1 agi, seems like a waste to be normal.

Ivan Khan · Jan 8, 2015

edwardecl said:
If these stats are still current, what are the base stats, or how do you find in within the game files?

They have changed, though much above still applies. Once 1.03 officially come out we can update it. No sense doing it now as it may change.

edwardecl · Jan 8, 2015

reiksmarshal said:
So wait normal doesn't give +1 str +1 agi, seems like a waste to be normal.

normal = special

.

kalarhan · Jan 8, 2015

reiksmarshal said:
So wait normal doesn't give +1 str +1 agi, seems like a waste to be normal.

who wants to be normal anyway

Ivan Khan · Jan 8, 2015

kalarhan said:
reiksmarshal said:

So wait normal doesn't give +1 str +1 agi, seems like a waste to be normal.

Click to expand...

who wants to be normal anyway

Pretty sure it does now. Skill points are also up significantly.

Reiksmarshal · Jan 9, 2015

HEIGHT:

tall: str +2
normal: /
short: agi +2

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AGE:

young: str +4, agi +4 (total
adult: str +3, agi+3, int+3, cha+3 (total 12)
old: int+4, cha+4 (total

This highly unbalanced! Seriously with only getting 1 attribute point every 5 levels this is a HUGE balance issue here. If you pick normal height and young or old you are starting out with 6 less attribute points or 30 levels worth of attribute points less! That is pretty crazy and has to to be unintentional to be honest, but this would be easy to fix. With attribute point barely matching up with high level npcs these are the adjustments I would make.

HEIGHT:

tall: str +2
normal: str +1, agi +1
short: agi +2

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AGE:

young: str +6, agi +6 (total 12)
adult: str +3, agi+3, int +3, cha +3 (total 12)
old: int +6, cha +6 (total 12)

edwardecl · Jan 9, 2015

I'm assuming these things will be rebalanced in 1.03 final, if not already?

In my current game I have pretty much started with a gimped character if these stats are correct, I chose normal height + young... oh well. I suppose I could always edit the save file to fix it myself.

Norfar · Jan 9, 2015

Launching M&B now and will recheck things, though im pretty sure 1.02 didn't change anything in this respect

EDIT: its all the same also

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=356134613
updated to 1.02

edwardecl · Jan 9, 2015

So it's the same as 1.02?

If so what are the base stats, because in that guide there are minus values and you can't have a number below zero or it will be horrendously unbalanced.

Norfar · Jan 9, 2015

u can get base values if u subtract all bonuses u get from these choices so for STR that would be 5

edwardecl · Jan 10, 2015

I don't understand...

For STR, if you pick Tall (2), young(4), Sanguine (1), Fortitude(1), Norse(2) that equals 10.

Or do you mean create a character write down the stats and minus the bonuses? because that still does not add up for me :/

What I mean by that is I created a spreadsheet with those bonus number and subtracted them from the character creation and got this...

Male Normal Young Sanguine Justice Angle-Saxon Outlaw Stealing Traveler Christian

14 13 5 8 1 0 3 1 4 4 0 4 5 0 2 0 6 0 6 4 1 0 0 1 0 3 3 1
9 8 0 3 0 0 -2 -1 0 3 -1 0 0 0 2 2 6 0 6 4 -2 0 0 0 0 2 2 0
5 5 5 5 1 0 5 2 4 1 1 4 5 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 1 1 1

Trainer can't be -2 as a base stat.

Choice\Skill \|	Sea King \|	Navig. \|	Iron. \|	P. strike \|	P. throw \|	P. draw \|	W. maint. \|	W. mastr. \|	Athl. \|	Riding \|	Loot. \|	Train. \|	Track. \|	Tactics \|	Path-F. \|	Spot. \|	Inv. Mang. \|	Wound Tr. \|	Surg. \|	F. Aid \|	Eng. \|	Persu. \|	Lead. \|	Trade
outlaw	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	+1	0	0	+3	0	+4	0	+2	+2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
noble (MALE)	0	0	0	+2	0	0	+2	+1	-2	+2	0	+2	0	+2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	+2	+2	0
noble (FEMALE)	0	0	-2	0	0	0	+2	+1	0	+2	0	0	0	0	0	0	+2	+2	0	+2	0	+2	+2	0
merchant	0	+2	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0	+1	0	0	0	+2	0	+2	0	0	0	0	0	0	+4
craftsman	0	0	0	+2	-1	0	+4	0	0	0	+1	0	0	0	0	0	+2	0	0	0	+3	0	0	+2
priest	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	+2	+2	+2	+4	0	+2	0	+1
peasant (MALE)	0	0	0	+2	0	0	+1	0	+2	0	+1	0	0	0	0	0	+1	0	0	+2	0	0	0	+1
peasant (FEMALE)	0	0	-1	+1	0	0	+1	-1	0	0	+1	0	0	0	0	0	+4	+2	0	+2	0	0	0	+1
base values	0	0	5	2	4	0	1	2	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	1	1	1

Proficiency\Choice \|	farming \|	martial arts \|	crafts \|	oratory \|	stealing \|
One H. Weapons	91	91	91	91	91
Two H. Weapons	72	91	72	72	72
Polearms	91	91	91	91	91
Archery	72	91	72	72	91
Crossbows	72	91	72	72	72
Throwing	91	91	91	72	91
Slings	91	91	91	91	91

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