Wouldn't that problem be due to the OpenGL port of Warband not supporting mod shaders, and possibly not some texture types or Native shaders either? Mac and Linux users running my mod have reported texture problems, which have not happened for hundreds to thousands of Windows players with exactly the same mod files (it's not something wrong with Linux, because I have played M&B for years using wine, and I don't have the graphics problems reported).Captain Lust said:
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I don't know! As far as I know, it can be fixed by resaving the textures with nvidia plugins.Vornne said:
Part of the problem appears to be that no one appears to know for sure.Captain Lust said:
I played with M&B and Warband for years on the Windows partition of my iMac and I never had these kind of problems, so I'm pretty sure they are tied to the change of platform.
Furthermore, I played both the games on Mac using Wineskin and I can say that no one of these problems appeared there (there were other problems but not these).
I would be more than happy to resaving the textures with nvidia plugins, if someone would tell me how to do it and where to find them (at the moment I don't have Photoshop installed, only GIMP).
Luciano
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Black textures can be fixed by users themselves, well unless you are a complete noob in linux, then you have to wait for someone else to upload a modified texture pack.
I've posted instructions on how to do it in this topic http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,310582.0.html and used it on two mods (RaW, Perisno) with success.
So either you do it yourselves or bug your mod developers to prepare linux compatible texture packs for you
I've posted instructions on how to do it in this topic http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,310582.0.html and used it on two mods (RaW, Perisno) with success.
So either you do it yourselves or bug your mod developers to prepare linux compatible texture packs for you
We've just pushed a patch out into the beta branch. The texture reading has been updated, which might provide a solution in some cases! Please let us know your experiences.
Unfortunately the only difference I see (always talking about PoP) is aCaptain Lust said:
All the black textures remain, I started a new game but I don't see differences.
As for
I'm pretty sure I'm a noob but the texture tools for nvidia are for Linux and Windows only (I searched and I haven't found anything for Mac), if you have a solution for Mac users too it would be much appreciated.Dr_Shame said:Black textures can be fixed by users themselves, well unless you are a complete noob in linux, then you have to wait for someone else to upload a modified texture pack.
I've posted instructions on how to do it in this topic http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,310582.0.html and used it on two mods (RaW, Perisno) with success.
So either you do it yourselves or bug your mod developers to prepare linux compatible texture packs for you
Luciano
Dr_Shame
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While i have no particular do-it-yourself solution for Mac users, i believe Macs could at the very least use converted textures provided by Linux users. It's just a matter of testing.
I posted two dropbox links with converted textures in the Rome at War thread, maybe if you test them with the mod and see if it works on your Mac too, then we would know for sure.
I posted two dropbox links with converted textures in the Rome at War thread, maybe if you test them with the mod and see if it works on your Mac too, then we would know for sure.
Ok, in these days I will try and I will post here the results.Dr_Shame said:
Thanks
Luciano
Ok, tried it, unfortunately Rome at War is one of the mods crashing at the start (it loads everything and then it crashes, like ACOK).
I tried with the Beta version and with the "normal" one with the same result.
As you said to have converted the textures for Perisno too, I downloaded it but, unfortunately, with the same results as for Rome at War.
Luciano
I tried with the Beta version and with the "normal" one with the same result.
As you said to have converted the textures for Perisno too, I downloaded it but, unfortunately, with the same results as for Rome at War.
With the new beta I cannot start the configuration menu, the game crashes. I need to select it in the normal version and only then I can load a new mod.Captain Lust said:
Luciano
Dr_Shame
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To fix RaW crashing at startup just rename the file Roman_Walls.brf to roman_walls.brf. It's in the resources subfolder. If it crashes again then you need to check the rgl log to see which resource file wasn't found.
I didn't upload textures for Perisno, the links provided were both for Rome at War. The difference was in texture formats.
I didn't upload textures for Perisno, the links provided were both for Rome at War. The difference was in texture formats.
I did it but with no success.
I cannot find the rgl_log.txt file, I'm not sure it's present on Mac (I tried a search too). There is a crash report of the system but it's too complicated for me.
I tried to help solving these problems but it appears I'm at the end of my (limited) abilities, suggestions are always welcome.
Thanks for the help
Luciano
I cannot find the rgl_log.txt file, I'm not sure it's present on Mac (I tried a search too). There is a crash report of the system but it's too complicated for me.
I tried to help solving these problems but it appears I'm at the end of my (limited) abilities, suggestions are always welcome.
Thanks for the help
Luciano
Dr_Shame said:
Captain Lust said:
Does it come with the "letter-insensitive file lookup for mod files on Linux and Mac" fix I suggested to optLn here?
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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,306927.msg7373055.html#msg7373055Black textures might be related to missing shader techniques, I don't see how resaving them with the Nvidia plugin would help, unless you are talking about changing their compression format. The thing is, many Linux distributions disable the DXT/S3TC de/compression because of patent concerns and it has to be re-enabled in Mesa 3D[1] by installing a library called
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libtxc_dxtn
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~/.driconf
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force_s3tc_enable=trueArchlinux comes with all of this prepackaged, so I guess it's only a problem on lesser distributions.
[1]:
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http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/S3TC/
Swyter said:Captain Lust said:
Does it come with the "letter-insensitive file lookup for mod files on Linux and Mac" fix I suggested to optLn here?
Code:http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,306927.msg7373055.html#msg7373055
Black textures might be related to missing shader techniques, I don't see how resaving them with the Nvidia plugin would help, unless you are talking about changing their compression format. The thing is, many Linux distributions disable the DXT/S3TC de/compression because of patent concerns and it has to be re-enabled in Mesa 3D[1] by installing a library calledor/and adding aCode:libtxc_dxtndirective.Code:~/.driconf
Code:force_s3tc_enable=true
Archlinux comes with all of this prepackaged, so I guess it's only a problem on lesser distributions.
[1]:Code:http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/S3TC/
Yes it does(except for sound files because FMOD uses fopen internally). I also changed texture loader with a more reliable one but most mods still doesn't work. Not all DDS exporters are compatible with our loader for some reason. But I know that GIMP with the latest DDS exporter works, I can suggest it for mod makers who want to make their mods compatible with Mac and Linux.
optLn said:
What? OpenGL loads DDS files almost directly by using extensions (
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glCompressedTexImage2D
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cursor.ddsHere's a good list of decent OpenGL loaders:
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http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Image_LibrariesThis SDK/example file by Nvidia seems to load most kinds of DDS files, even uncompressed ones, and cubemaps:
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[url=http://ftp://download.nvidia.com/developer/GPU_Gems/CD_Image/Image_Processing/Image_Processing_Framework/LIBS/src/nv_dds/nv_dds.cpp]ftp://download.nvidia.com/developer/GPU_Gems/CD_Image/Image_Processing/Image_Processing_Framework/LIBS/src/nv_dds/nv_dds.cpp[/url]I've personally used SOIL, which is very tiny and to the point, but I don't think it would be enough for this. DevIL is more batteries-included, and probably what you are looking for... it's based on that Nvidia code up there, so additionally supports a long list of pixel formats and obscure variants, even unofficial ones like volume textures. Take a look:
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https://github.com/DentonW/DevIL/blob/master/DevIL/src-IL/src/il_dds.c#L457
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PF_ARGB,
PF_RGB,
PF_DXT1,
PF_DXT2,
PF_DXT3,
PF_DXT4,
PF_DXT5,
PF_3DC,
PF_ATI1N,
PF_LUMINANCE,
PF_LUMINANCE_ALPHA,
PF_RXGB, //Doom3 normal maps
PF_A16B16G16R16,
PF_R16F,
PF_G16R16F,
PF_A16B16G16R16F,
PF_R32F,
PF_G32R32F,
PF_A32B32G32R32F
(https://github.com/DentonW/DevIL/blob/master/DevIL/src-IL/include/il_dds.h#L144)Also. Does the face creation screen portrait rotation work now?
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Recompressing with nvidia tools is a proven fix for black textures. Shaders don't have anything to do with it. Therefore the universal solution lies with mod devs using compatible tools to create textures, as for example optLn suggested with Gimp. Otherwise it's a do it yourself job
Dr_Shame said:Recompressing with nvidia tools is a proven fix for black textures. Shaders don't have anything to do with it. Therefore the universal solution lies with mod devs using compatible tools to create textures, as for example optLn suggested with Gimp. Otherwise it's a do it yourself job
What settings do you use when recompressing? Can you pass me over some small before/after images by PM so that I can take it a look?
There is going to be a noticeable quality loss when playing with doubly compressed textures, by the way.
And I'm 99% sure that using a proven OpenGL-compatible loader like DevIL would fix this.
Dr_Shame said:
Took a look, compared both versions of the DXT1 file you sent to me, the original one that appeared black in Linux/Mac, and the recompressed one. They are almost identical, they even have the same bitwise flags, even optional ones.
Differences I've found out in their headers:
- The Nvidia compression tool did set the
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dwPitchOrLinearSize
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DDSD_PITCH
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DDSD_LINEARSIZE
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dwFlagsThe original texture didn't had
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dwPitchOrLinearSize- Looks like the Nvidia compression tool fills a signature (
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NVTT
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131080
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0x20008
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dwReserved1[11]If somebody (Dr_Shame?) wants to take a look or try my modded original file to see if appears correctly in Linux/Mac, here you have it:
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108770784/gallic_boots_modded_header_swyter_dxt1.ddsSo, to sum up: Shoddy work of compressors and decompressors all around, seems like the Nvidia plugins work best (Photoshop/NVTT). GIMP DDS is awesome too (I don't normally use that word, but the codebase is excellent).
Just don't use other lamer software which doesn't write minimally spec-correct headers and you are good to go. Things like DXTBmp or Paint.Net, you get the idea.
All the textures from The Last Days seem to appear correctly in Linux. So that says a lot of the modders behind it.
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