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cwr
The PKK is fighting a war of independence, that's different than terrorism.Docm30 said:
Also, the Turks are not innocent in this either.
Goker, there's an agreement when you register for the forum that Taleworlds is not responsible for what their forumites write.
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I don't think anyone who is not Turkish is reasonably claiming that Turkey's government is innocent of anything. Both groups are corrupt and morally bankrupt.
That's not really relevant, those disclaimers have little to no legal bearing. Filefront was 'not responsible' for what their users uploaded, but they still got the smack down. This is also ignoring the fact that the Turkish government uses the legal system as a puppet and therefore even rock-solid legal definitions can be swept away.The Dark Robin said:
The PKK has KILLED people.The Dark Robin said:
Killing people is not part of an ordinary political process. D: (Unless they are brown, jews, gays, disabled or even Disabled Ethiopian Jews Who Are Gay.*)
I think you need to see a shrink, since you obviously do not know how to function in society. :C
*If you are reading this, take an English class or just pick up a f'ing dictionary and look up Satire, feciciousness, dry humour . etc.
I don't agree on the government's attitude towards PKK nor towards Kurds too, however if you brand yourself as leading an independence movement you'd do well not to inflict harm on innocents. I gotta admit I used to agree that violence can be considered an act against oppression, especially if that was an independence movement, till I learned about the movement of the Crimean Turks, and also John Stuart Mill's views on liberty.
If you guys are interested, I suggest you take a look at the deportation of Crimean Turks and Mustafa Dzhemilev's struggle because of the rarity of his motives as being non-violent right from its start till this day.
If you guys are interested, I suggest you take a look at the deportation of Crimean Turks and Mustafa Dzhemilev's struggle because of the rarity of his motives as being non-violent right from its start till this day.
Mage246
Given the ceasefire with the PKK I'm a bit surprised that there hasn't been more of a legal rapprochement with the PKK. If the ceasefire is to be permanent peace there will have to come a time in which it is no longer unacceptable to say anything positive about them.
It's coming. Just before the presidential elections too.Mage246 said:
Turkey banned Twitter and Youtube. You think that ****ty line is going to stand against the government?The Dark Robin said:
cwr
Austupaio said:
My point being that the AKP is as bad or worse than the PKK, and the only reason that they aren't designated as a terrorist group is because they have influence with the west. They are, after all, harboring terrorists.
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Thanks Goker for advancing my point. The AKP has also banned Twitter and Youtube, all the more reason to dislike them.
There's a slight difference between banning Internet sites, and using car bombs.
Sure, PKK isn't Al-Qaeda or the Shining Path, but they are a terrorist organization deservedly. Do I think that the Kurds should have a country of their own? Yes, I do. That, however, doesn't justify terror acts.
Sure, PKK isn't Al-Qaeda or the Shining Path, but they are a terrorist organization deservedly. Do I think that the Kurds should have a country of their own? Yes, I do. That, however, doesn't justify terror acts.
Mage246
Well yeah, but they're also making the transition from being the IRA to being Sinn Fein, to use the Irish analogy. Some acknowledgement of that will be due very soon, in an official capacity when it comes to terrorist listings.
I called you stupid for the following.The Dark Robin said:
You designated PKK as "Kurds". There are a lot of countries and nations that consider PKK terrorists and yet not Kurds. Turkey also doesn't consider Kurds "terrorists". As for the individuals in the Republic of Turkey, answers vary.The Dark Robin said:
I also fail to see why AKP would be different from PKK for having influence in the west. They're different because AKP is the elected government of the Republic of Turkey and whilst both the Turkish Government and PKK has killed people, the motives were really different.
Nice to see you find the misfortune of others funny.
It's a social phenomenon that people laugh at people who trip and fall, can't blame him. I'd have laughed too if my country was all nice and cozy, most of the time.
cwr
Meh, according to a Vice report I saw, the Turkish election was somewhat rigged. You would probably know more about that than me, but I can dig it up if you want.Goker said:
Then how do you suggest the country of Kurdistan is established, without a war of independence?Jhessail said:
As for your one-liner, banning internet sites has practically no good use besides shutting down child porn, while car bombs can be used for good, just as guns and other weapons can. Also, the AKP is not only infringing on Turkish liberty, but harboring terrorist elements of the FSA who go directly into attacking Syrian Kurdistan.