What Is Your Political Affiliation?

What political affiliation would you consider yourself the most like?

  • Anarchist

    Votes: 12 4.9%
  • Socialist/Communist/Marxist

    Votes: 37 15.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 16 6.6%
  • Environmentalist

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 22 9.0%
  • Nationalist

    Votes: 26 10.7%
  • Libertarian/Classical Liberal/Anarcho-Capitalist

    Votes: 24 9.8%
  • Social Democrat (not Democratic Socialist)

    Votes: 43 17.6%
  • Monarchist/Royalist

    Votes: 10 4.1%
  • Agrarian/Primitivist

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • Moderate/Independent/Swing Voter

    Votes: 21 8.6%
  • Indifferent/Apathetic

    Votes: 13 5.3%
  • Authoritarian

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • Technocrat

    Votes: 7 2.9%
  • Theocrat/Religious

    Votes: 4 1.6%

  • Total voters
    244

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Dodes said:
So it seems right-wing nationalist movements have been in the upswing in Europe, specifically among the youth. At the same time, there have been a lot of counter-demonstrations against those movements under the flag of anti-fascism.

In France, the National Front (FN) got 25% of the French vote, which caused 4000 French students to rally in Paris.

And in Austria, the Identitarian Movement held a rally which ended in a clash with a counter-protest by anti-fascists, which prompted the Vienna police to break up the scene.

Then there is also the movements in Sweden and of course the iconic Greek Neo-Nazis, Golden Dawn, which I believe were the first far-right political party to become prominent.
4000 vs 25% of the country isn't really representative of a forming counter culture IMO. More like the oppositions trying to be the vocal minority. And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.
 
Democratic Libertarian Market Socialist. I know it's a handful, but I like to add Democratic and Libertarian so the world realises that most Socialists aren't Soviet-style totalitarian State Capitalist "Communists".

So, what's to discuss?
 
While I don't approve of the specific response of the anti-fascists (who I imagine all aren't far-leftists, but many are), I do think the fundamental idea of opposing political organizations that promote racial superiority and nationalism is an important aspect of being politically active.
 
Dodes said:
While I don't approve of the specific response of the anti-fascists (who I imagine all aren't far-leftists, but many are), I do think the fundamental idea of opposing political organizations that promote racial superiority and nationalism is an important aspect of being politically active.

Standing up for your beliefs is an important aspect of being politically active. Therefore, opposing those who would seek to silence your beliefs, or perhaps simply contrast them, and implement laws you believe would harm people is an important aspect of being politically active. Unfortunately, that applies to fascists too.

Úlfheðinn said:
FrisianDude said:
Úlfheðinn said:
As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?

I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.

Please explain how you "suffer" both extremes more then others?
 
Lainncli said:
Democratic Libertarian Market Socialist. I know it's a handful, but I like to add Democratic and Libertarian so the world realises that most Socialists aren't Soviet-style totalitarian State Capitalist "Communists".

So, what's to discuss?
Sounds a bit like most worker's parties.
 
Lainncli said:
Úlfheðinn said:
FrisianDude said:
Úlfheðinn said:
As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?

I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.

Please explain how you "suffer" both extremes more then others?

Sweden at the moment has an upswing in the far right, so you have more people trying to pander there quasi-racist bull****. At the same time historically, there have been a lot of left wing sympathizers wandering about, such as plane old communists and ANTIFA (aka assholes).

I've had to defend myself from ANTIFA and their ilk more than once for not being "supportive" enough of whatever wonderful political actions they partake in (mostly breaking windows and spoiling fights). Racist right wingers are less of a problem for me by virtue of being a very pale Swede, but still, I don't enjoy seeing more of them around the town.

Now, I don't know if this means I suffer more from both than anyone else, but it does mean that I do have a wealth of experience with violent assholes on both sides of the political extremes. It just strikes me as odd that people (especially here in Swedenland) are so terribly afraid of the far right when the far left is just as crazy.  :razz:
 
Úlfheðinn said:
Lainncli said:
Úlfheðinn said:
FrisianDude said:
Úlfheðinn said:
As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?

I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.

Please explain how you "suffer" both extremes more then others?

Sweden at the moment has an upswing in the far right, so you have more people trying to pander there quasi-racist bull****. At the same time historically, there have been a lot of left wing sympathizers wandering about, such as plane old communists and ANTIFA (aka assholes).

I've had to defend myself from ANTIFA and their ilk more than once for not being "supportive" enough of whatever wonderful political actions they partake in (mostly breaking windows and spoiling fights). Racist right wingers are less of a problem for me by virtue of being a very pale Swede, but still, I don't enjoy seeing more of them around the town.

Now, I don't know if this means I suffer more from both than anyone else, but it does mean that I do have a wealth of experience with violent assholes on both sides of the political extremes. It just strikes me as odd that people (especially here in Swedenland) are so terribly afraid of the far right when the far left is just as crazy.  :razz:

The far left is far less "crazy" in my country. Your experience does not apply to everyone, simply to yourself. Though I could tell an equal anecdote about Protestants and Catholics as a Glaswegian, I won't assume that it applies to Dublin for example - Where Catholicism is clearly far more prevalent and Protestants obviously have more reason to worry than the other side - or even someone simply from a different part of my city. In the UK, the BNP and groups such as "Britain First", the Orange Order or the English Defence League represent a clear threat from the right wing - an often violent one - but I have yet to see such to come from the far-left. Not even the equally politically hideous Revolutionary Communist Party does anything to threaten - The far-left is a sleeping dog in the UK, and not one that would be woken.

FrisianDude said:
Lainncli said:
Democratic Libertarian Market Socialist. I know it's a handful, but I like to add Democratic and Libertarian so the world realises that most Socialists aren't Soviet-style totalitarian State Capitalist "Communists".

So, what's to discuss?
Sounds a bit like most worker's parties.

Unfortunately, not really anymore. There seems to be a gap between Revolutionary Communism and parties that claim to be Democratic Socialists, but practice regulated mixed market economics with no apparent movement towards Socialism.
 
Indeed, however, you seem to be missing that all I am advocating is that people be equally wary of all extremists and certainly I am not suggesting that what applies to Sweden applies to the rest of the world.

However, I would counter as well and say that while the far left activists may be quiet in the UK, they are rather more active in continental Europe (i.e. Germany/Austria).

Of course all of that is merely my subjective experience, but I am confident if you were to ask Wellenbrecher or one of the German forum members they would largely confirm such a view. Vis-à-vis that ANTIFA is just as big of nusence to us as crazy right wingers are. :razz:
 
I'm what could be called a "patriotic socially liberal state capitalist with a sensible dose of socialism and a sizeable amount of militarism"

If that makes sense...
 
Lainncli said:
Dodes said:
While I don't approve of the specific response of the anti-fascists (who I imagine all aren't far-leftists, but many are), I do think the fundamental idea of opposing political organizations that promote racial superiority and nationalism is an important aspect of being politically active.
Standing up for your beliefs is an important aspect of being politically active. Therefore, opposing those who would seek to silence your beliefs, or perhaps simply contrast them, and implement laws you believe would harm people is an important aspect of being politically active. Unfortunately, that applies to fascists too.
What I said is not forced into denying the opposition's right to their political beliefs and their legitimacy to demonstrate them. The goal of counter-protest is, or at least should be, to show that there are indeed people that oppose the opposition at least minimally enough to demonstrate against them. This strengthens bystanders and the general public through confidence and solidarity to oppose beliefs that they view as intolerant, while challenging the opposition itself.
 
Cookie Eating Huskarl said:
And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.
Any political campaigning I heard lately is a counter-anything. "Vote for the left because the right are morons!" "Vote for the right because the left are idiots!" "Vote for the far left/far right/middle because all the others are morons/idiots!". Political or economical plans for the future? Who needs those? The important thing is to not let the morons win. Of course, the winner idiots will use the country as their own playground, but it doesn't matter, because as long as you stand against something, you don't have to stand for something.
 
I've always hoped ANTIFA to be something more than misguided bongheads. Still it's somewhat nice to see some sort of resistance to the rise of neonazism and the popularity it's gaining. Because like it or not it's fact that there are some sensible youth who do wish to struggle against all this nationalistic non-sense. Sides there's a history for that here, youth that always have resisted. Like the guy who tore down the nazi flag during Germany's occupation and the resistance against the dictatorship by anarchist students in November of '73.
 
Bromden said:
Cookie Eating Huskarl said:
And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.
Any political campaigning I heard lately is a counter-anything. "Vote for the left because the right are morons!" "Vote for the right because the left are idiots!" "Vote for the far left/far right/middle because all the others are morons/idiots!". Political or economical plans for the future? Who needs those? The important thing is to not let the morons win. Of course, the winner idiots will use the country as their own playground, but it doesn't matter, because as long as you stand against something, you don't have to stand for something.

It's sad, because there's so much more politicians could use to win the vote in Britain. UKIP, unfortunately, are the only party to have driven a different course and it works. They've highlighted what they want to change and how they will change it, as opposed to being drawn to "politics" from which most people are being increasingly disillusioned. Labour could do this, with massive amounts of support for reforms such as railway nationalisation and other fundamentally leftwards proposals. However, they choose to hold their ground in the centre and repeat the past mistakes of Blair and Brown by abandoning the core of their party.
 
Wismar said:
Who ever made that poll should replace the fascist option with 'nationalist' because it's a more common term and more people can identify themselves with it.
Head over to ****ing Stormfront already.
Oh and while you're at it take off that horrible sig, it's a pain to look at.
 
PoisonCourtesan said:
Head over to ****ing Stormfront already.
Oh and while you're at it take off that horrible sig, it's a pain to look at.
Jeez, chill. Being mad doesn't make you look any more reasonable, you know?
Wismar said:
Thanks for that helpfull reply. If you want to call the nationalist option 'fascist' you might as well call the liberal option 'rootless, selfish swine'.
hehhe
 
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