Cookie Eating Huskarl
Marquis
My millimetre-penis gives me excellent political judgement thank you very much.
All mah insecurities
4000 vs 25% of the country isn't really representative of a forming counter culture IMO. More like the oppositions trying to be the vocal minority. And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.Dodes said:So it seems right-wing nationalist movements have been in the upswing in Europe, specifically among the youth. At the same time, there have been a lot of counter-demonstrations against those movements under the flag of anti-fascism.
In France, the National Front (FN) got 25% of the French vote, which caused 4000 French students to rally in Paris.
And in Austria, the Identitarian Movement held a rally which ended in a clash with a counter-protest by anti-fascists, which prompted the Vienna police to break up the scene.
Then there is also the movements in Sweden and of course the iconic Greek Neo-Nazis, Golden Dawn, which I believe were the first far-right political party to become prominent.
why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?Úlfheðinn said:As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
FrisianDude said:why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?Úlfheðinn said:As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
Dodes said:While I don't approve of the specific response of the anti-fascists (who I imagine all aren't far-leftists, but many are), I do think the fundamental idea of opposing political organizations that promote racial superiority and nationalism is an important aspect of being politically active.
Úlfheðinn said:FrisianDude said:why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?Úlfheðinn said:As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.
Sounds a bit like most worker's parties.Lainncli said:Democratic Libertarian Market Socialist. I know it's a handful, but I like to add Democratic and Libertarian so the world realises that most Socialists aren't Soviet-style totalitarian State Capitalist "Communists".
So, what's to discuss?
Lainncli said:Úlfheðinn said:FrisianDude said:why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?Úlfheðinn said:As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.
Please explain how you "suffer" both extremes more then others?
Úlfheðinn said:Lainncli said:Úlfheðinn said:FrisianDude said:why do you say this every time anti-fascists are mentioned?Úlfheðinn said:As much as I hate the far right the anti-fascists are just as moronic.
I suppose as someone who has to suffer both the far left and far right I feel inclined to warn other people of both.
Please explain how you "suffer" both extremes more then others?
Sweden at the moment has an upswing in the far right, so you have more people trying to pander there quasi-racist bull****. At the same time historically, there have been a lot of left wing sympathizers wandering about, such as plane old communists and ANTIFA (aka assholes).
I've had to defend myself from ANTIFA and their ilk more than once for not being "supportive" enough of whatever wonderful political actions they partake in (mostly breaking windows and spoiling fights). Racist right wingers are less of a problem for me by virtue of being a very pale Swede, but still, I don't enjoy seeing more of them around the town.
Now, I don't know if this means I suffer more from both than anyone else, but it does mean that I do have a wealth of experience with violent assholes on both sides of the political extremes. It just strikes me as odd that people (especially here in Swedenland) are so terribly afraid of the far right when the far left is just as crazy.
FrisianDude said:Sounds a bit like most worker's parties.Lainncli said:Democratic Libertarian Market Socialist. I know it's a handful, but I like to add Democratic and Libertarian so the world realises that most Socialists aren't Soviet-style totalitarian State Capitalist "Communists".
So, what's to discuss?
ModerateKing Ragnarok said:I'm what could be called a "patriotic socially liberal state capitalist with a sensible dose of socialism and a sizeable amount of militarism"
If that makes sense...
What I said is not forced into denying the opposition's right to their political beliefs and their legitimacy to demonstrate them. The goal of counter-protest is, or at least should be, to show that there are indeed people that oppose the opposition at least minimally enough to demonstrate against them. This strengthens bystanders and the general public through confidence and solidarity to oppose beliefs that they view as intolerant, while challenging the opposition itself.Lainncli said:Standing up for your beliefs is an important aspect of being politically active. Therefore, opposing those who would seek to silence your beliefs, or perhaps simply contrast them, and implement laws you believe would harm people is an important aspect of being politically active. Unfortunately, that applies to fascists too.Dodes said:While I don't approve of the specific response of the anti-fascists (who I imagine all aren't far-leftists, but many are), I do think the fundamental idea of opposing political organizations that promote racial superiority and nationalism is an important aspect of being politically active.
Any political campaigning I heard lately is a counter-anything. "Vote for the left because the right are morons!" "Vote for the right because the left are idiots!" "Vote for the far left/far right/middle because all the others are morons/idiots!". Political or economical plans for the future? Who needs those? The important thing is to not let the morons win. Of course, the winner idiots will use the country as their own playground, but it doesn't matter, because as long as you stand against something, you don't have to stand for something.Cookie Eating Huskarl said:And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.
Bromden said:Any political campaigning I heard lately is a counter-anything. "Vote for the left because the right are morons!" "Vote for the right because the left are idiots!" "Vote for the far left/far right/middle because all the others are morons/idiots!". Political or economical plans for the future? Who needs those? The important thing is to not let the morons win. Of course, the winner idiots will use the country as their own playground, but it doesn't matter, because as long as you stand against something, you don't have to stand for something.Cookie Eating Huskarl said:And like Ulf said, most counter-anythings are usually not very well thought out and are more a product of a kneejerk reaction.
Head over to ****ing Stormfront already.Wismar said:Who ever made that poll should replace the fascist option with 'nationalist' because it's a more common term and more people can identify themselves with it.
Jeez, chill. Being mad doesn't make you look any more reasonable, you know?PoisonCourtesan said:Head over to ****ing Stormfront already.
Oh and while you're at it take off that horrible sig, it's a pain to look at.
hehheWismar said:Thanks for that helpfull reply. If you want to call the nationalist option 'fascist' you might as well call the liberal option 'rootless, selfish swine'.