Borgarrson said:
I hope you haven't got a bad view on us.
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I hope you haven't got a bad view on us.
Borgarrson
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RagnarGerman said:Borgarrson said:
I hope you haven't got a bad view on us.
Not really, you guys showed me alot. I am new in m&b online, and my ping was so high, you guys saw it. But, I did my best, I hope YOU guys didn't get a bad idea of me, haha.
nacholoko16
Sergeant at Arms
Was very nice to play with you fella! Got a bad ping know how it fells , be welcome enjoy it and most important have fun!
, be welcome enjoy it and most important have fun!
A short notice to all Jómsvíkingar: The Polannins disabled and created a new clan which their act as a support troop of us. Slava!
Slava!
As punishment for provocating a bann on Hildileikr, Dreki's rank will be setted back to Svennr.
Update: Dreki left the clan.
Update: Dreki left the clan.
Hospes fori
Count
Of course everyone is responsible for his own actions and only his own, but I reckon everyone realises that anyway. And as far as I can tell that is exactly why Hærger is criticising Ragnarr here. The deeds of a person constitute his behaviour which consists not only of actions but also inactions. Every single Jómsvíkingr is responsible for how he is treating other Jómsvíkingar. Everyone is responsible of holding everyone else responsible.
When a Jómsvíkingr is guilty of a misdeed, it is his responsibility to bear the consequences while it is the responsibility of everyone else to ensure that he is indeed suffering them. Since nobody is born a Jómsvíkingr it is the Jómsvíkingars' responsibility to ensure that every single one of them abides by the rules. If a Jómsvíkingr does not do that, the others have two choices: Either they force him to abide by the rules and expel him in case they are not able to, or they neglect the violation and thereby attest that they themselves disregard the rules. Obviously the latter would cause the Víkingr community to hold the Jómsvíkingar responsible for this decision. Every Jómsvíkingr who did not agree to the decision and is therefore not responsible for it would be free to leave the Jómsvíkingar in order to avoid the community's blame. If he stayed with the Jómsvíkingar nonetheless though, he would be responsible for this very decision himself and consequently the community would be justified to reprimand him like every other Jómsvíkingr.
When a Jómsvíkingr is guilty of a misdeed, it is his responsibility to bear the consequences while it is the responsibility of everyone else to ensure that he is indeed suffering them. Since nobody is born a Jómsvíkingr it is the Jómsvíkingars' responsibility to ensure that every single one of them abides by the rules. If a Jómsvíkingr does not do that, the others have two choices: Either they force him to abide by the rules and expel him in case they are not able to, or they neglect the violation and thereby attest that they themselves disregard the rules. Obviously the latter would cause the Víkingr community to hold the Jómsvíkingar responsible for this decision. Every Jómsvíkingr who did not agree to the decision and is therefore not responsible for it would be free to leave the Jómsvíkingar in order to avoid the community's blame. If he stayed with the Jómsvíkingar nonetheless though, he would be responsible for this very decision himself and consequently the community would be justified to reprimand him like every other Jómsvíkingr.
I agree on the point, that measures must be taken by the group leader if there happens to be trouble with members, but the one who should be adressed is the individual him/herself.
Ragnar, or any other clanleader, is not responsible for a certain mindset an individual player has, so casting the blame on the leader, or even the entire clan, is in my view, plainly unlogic, and very unfair to the innocents who suddenly get flamed and branded by the community in the result.
Ragnar is doing his best to keep things under control, he warns the players who misbehave, and bans those that refuse to listen.
And it should not be him who is to blame for a mistake or misbehaviour that was unforseen by him and the members.
Ragnar, or any other clanleader, is not responsible for a certain mindset an individual player has, so casting the blame on the leader, or even the entire clan, is in my view, plainly unlogic, and very unfair to the innocents who suddenly get flamed and branded by the community in the result.
Ragnar is doing his best to keep things under control, he warns the players who misbehave, and bans those that refuse to listen.
And it should not be him who is to blame for a mistake or misbehaviour that was unforseen by him and the members.
Jan Arie said:
Ragnar hasn't kept anything under control since the birth of the Jómsvíkingar. The amount of Jomsvikings kicked and banned at seemingly every single event is proof of that.
Vidirhrafn said:
You know nothing, Úlfr Snow.
You remind me of Comical Ali. I understand you are eagerly defending and flattering Ragnar, quite possibly because you have your eyes set on rising through these silly ranks that have been put in place. But to deny the disorderly conduct displayed by many Jomsborg, you must either be blinded by love for Ragnar or blind entirely. However, proof is what you require, proof is what your faithful servant delivers.Jan Arie said:
From the following (closed) thread:Leifr Eiríksson said:
From the same thread:Celtic said:
From another closed thread:Leifr said:
Gibby said:
Porkie responding to Jomsborg grunt #64,478 on why he got kicked:hrotha said:
Dansk viking said:
Dansk viking said:
Leifr Eiríksson said:
Just a few examples, do with that as you wish. Now I seem to recall from a discussion Fródwine and I had with you that you weren't exactly the brightest fish in the pond, but I do hope, however, you preserve at least a modicum of an intellectual integrity and don't ever say such stupid things again. I would have you know that, in much of the civilised world, court sentences for denial of the Holocaust are on par with those for denial of Jomsborg misconduct.
nacholoko16
Sergeant at Arms
What about make a deal amigos... We are fighting on forums every single time . So i purpose this idea, everytime someone trolls(jomsborg or non) take a print(printscreen) and put on forum. Then we can focus that case and take the correctly punishment for being and ******* on the game. I hate trolls, hate kids and i totally agree that we must clean the game of them. So better than fight on foruns for all the eternity and didnt solve anything, we could take a print of the troll moment and punish the person. Just an idea, no need to insult me, harras me or start a fight with me. Trying to help. Hughs lovely players.
. So i purpose this idea, everytime someone trolls(jomsborg or non) take a print(printscreen) and put on forum. Then we can focus that case and take the correctly punishment for being and ******* on the game. I hate trolls, hate kids and i totally agree that we must clean the game of them. So better than fight on foruns for all the eternity and didnt solve anything, we could take a print of the troll moment and punish the person. Just an idea, no need to insult me, harras me or start a fight with me. Trying to help. Hughs lovely players.Orchid said:
There is truth in your words, along with the evidence I was looking for, but, I find these underlined statements an insult and a mockery of my good name and my reputation in the Vikingr community.
I'll have you know, that I will not take these lightly.
As ridiculous as though you and others might find it, this is a principle I live by, and I will not remain idle on it.
I do not forgive, and I do not forget this act.
nacholoko16
Sergeant at Arms
Stop the discussions god sake......Jan Arie said:
I please everyone to just delete their posts about this discussions, make them in a Teamspeak or in Steam or whatever but stop filling my clan thread with your complains.
RagnarGerman said:
Free blowjobs for everybody!
Please no ban
Guys seriously. I already wasted my best inapproriate joke for today and you just keep going? I find that to be very disrespectful and now you've made me sad 
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