BIT Tournament Rules & Discussion POLL: PM Scheduling Info?
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The Pizza said:
Just because the last tournament finished doesn't mean it should be copied identically for all future tournaments. I was actually pretty bored with a lot of the random plains gens. I was also somewhat annoyed by the idea of "re-rolling" random plains every time the sides swapped, which totally defeated the purpose of switching teams and spawns. Not only that, but depending on what server and who you were playing against, you had variable chances in getting the admins to actually re-roll when maps were unfair, or keep maps that were OK. Including "random plains" as a map choice means that it will be chosen for almost every single match at one point or another, and I'd MUCH rather see the WB community "battle-test" some of these new maps. And we will help build them into a set of great competitive maps.
Little disappointing to see people so vehemently opposed to changes. This is a somewhat obscure "niche" game -- there are no $5,000 prizes or E sports/etc., and there is no need play either on totally random or totally symmetrical maps. We should feel free to experiment for the sake of getting the most we can out of this game
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I counted at least 2 reasons
Z3ro said:
Vote A: No. (incumbent) But, captains are encouraged to do so to facilitate fair conflict resolution.Eternal said:
Don't have time for that.
Well no ****. If Orion ran opinion polling before NASTe season 1 everyone would just vote for exactly what K-BOOB had. Same thing here:Z3ro said:
The Pizza said:
Yeah, not how sure the ruleset from K-BOOB, K-TIT, NASTe Season 1 and NASTe Season 2 were decaying either. They weren't. They were all strong rulesets with flaws that were fixed with the next iteration.
But there's an important leap between K-BOOB and NASTe and that revolves around the fact that Orion did not fix K-BOOB. He brought up an entirely new system with innovative quirks and new aspects and a ladder and all of the other fancy things that made that part of NA Community history great. We're still using it today despite the fact it has flaws, because it was innovative, brought new life into the game and was different. People get bored of the "same old ****" played over and over again. And for the most part, we've already played CJTT. It had nearly an identical ruleset to NASTE Season 2, and to me, it felt boring. Particularly near the ending. And playing the same thing over and over again will not draw new clans in, nor will it draw in new players to the community. The NA community is so small to the point where it must not get stagnant.
And I've already noted this in the OP, but people are naturally resistant to change. People will not willingly radically swap over to innovation. I will repeat, if Orion had taken opinion polling of the NA community for NASTE Season 1, we would've had K-BOOB again and a stagnant community. Even the 'small' polling I'm doing here, with just the people with at least a basic interest in the community, evidently shows (check the 'incumbents') how little people want to change.
Does that mean that 'Oh CJTT is good so leave it as it is'? Partially. Part of it is that, no, even if CJTT was bad people are still naturally resistant to change and like having what they're used to. But even if CJTT was good, and even let's say it is at the 'pinnacle' of balanced rulesets (which it is not) then we still need to change because the community can not just stay the same and play the same thing over and over again for another year.
In other news, I'm greenlighting Open Plains to be in the map pack and a (possible) replacement for Random Plains. I'm not entirely sure exactly why I forbid random plains and open plains being in the same map pack and both being options, so that's certainly being reconsidered. If random plains does make it in, however, there will definitely be a change in the way rerolls are done.
Also looks like B won for thursday, Friday up.
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Whats wrong with all cav being a viable strategy anyways? Its like saying that all inf on nord town is bad...Gelden said:
All cav fights are alot of fun...
valent69 said:
Now this is some unnecessary exaggeration. The custom maps that I've seen posted are pretty much the same as a standard "Random plains" roll, but the worst NATIVE "random plains" rolls end up looking like fields of incredibly steep, surreal, bulbous hills.
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