Sound Chaser
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Úlfr said:Rhudda Ar Clogyn Barfau said:y'know who I hate? ... Humans
haha yeah we suck dont we ?
I don't suck, so I must be of a different species.
Úlfr said:Rhudda Ar Clogyn Barfau said:y'know who I hate? ... Humans
haha yeah we suck dont we ?
simply because humans can make sure there is no equal trade-off between gaining an advantage and gaining a disadvantage as you presented with the sickle-cells. Humans can guide the evolution of humans.Pharaoh Llandy said:the way 'nature' works
Another problem this anti-humanist codswallop presents is that it pretends that because humans are animals they can't be cool. Idiocy, of course, animals can easily be cool and there is nothing which prevents humans from being cool.Hospes fori said:That does not exactly appear to be an entirely new perception. At least every secular person agrees that humans are first of all a faunal specie amongst others. What else could humans be? They consist of the same materials like other animals and developed in the course of evolution as well.Úlfr said:in short "Anti-Humanism is the belief that we are just like animals. Only through technology do we excel past the rest of the animal kingdom."
Sound Chaser said:I think ideals like such as this are born of people's dissappointment in humanity being nothing more than what it is. Then they go *****ing about it. That's what it is in the nutshell. Much similar to what's the case with really enthusiastic atheists.
Gamerwiz said:Well, since you brought it up, there's actually 4:Orion said:Also, there are two typos in your sig. It's "believe," not "belive."
Úlfr said:''DontDon'tbelivebelieve in God,Belivebelieve inyoureselfyourself.''
FrisianDude said:However I think I disagree that only in an artificial body can we prevent all illness; quite a lot of DNA-meddling might be possible. I'm no biologomagist, but it doesn't seem off-limits for human ingenuity.
And typing human ingenuity gives me an angle to argue from here; I'm going to argue that humans CAN be better than animals simply because humans can put themselves partially outside ofPharaoh Llandy said:the way 'nature' works
Humans can guide the evolution of humans.
Ah man, wish dinosaurs were still around to **** our **** up. Would we have survived that?Pharaoh Llandy said:Arzeal said:@Llandy: we are not strongest, fastest, top of the food chain animal but we are the ones who survived and adapted to the current environment on earth.
Are you kidding me? Humanity has been 'dominant' for less than ten thousand years. Do you know how many millions of years the dinosaurs were dominant for? In another 3 million years, some dominant avian species parent is going to look back and say to their nest of avian kids "Let that be a lesson to you. We don't want to go the way of the mammals."
A remarkable trait of many atheists is, that they do not notice, that they actually contravene their own logic. There are some atheists, who just do not believe in a divinity, because they conceive its existence as highly unlikely, which is an acceptable opinion. However there are other atheists, who argue that the missing evidence for any divinity, which is indeed disappointing many people, is reason enough not to believe in its existence. So basically these atheists criticise theists for believing something without evidence, while they themselves have objectively no clear evidence for their beliefs as well. Hence I am pretty inclined to think that most atheists are actually only agnostics without being aware of it.Sound Chaser said:I think ideals like such as this are born of people's dissappointment in humanity being nothing more than what it is. Then they go *****ing about it. That's what it is in the nutshell. Much similar to what's the case with really enthusiastic atheists.
Don't be a retard. Religious person believes in something without any evidence. Atheist person does not believe in something without any evidence. These are not the same thing, not by far, not at all.Hospes fori said:So basically these atheists criticise theists for believing something without evidence, while they themselves have objectively no clear evidence for their beliefs as well. Hence I am pretty inclined to think that most atheists are actually only agnostics without being aware of it.
Hospes fori said:Atheistic and theistic perceptions are based on the same reasoning, namely faith.
Pharaoh Llandy said:Hospes fori said:Atheistic and theistic perceptions are based on the same reasoning, namely faith.
Most atheists I know believe as they do because of science, which does not require faith.
Science and religion have nothing to do with each other. They are (as of yet) completely compatible with each other. Thus, science should not have any impact on whether or not a person is an atheist.Pharaoh Llandy said:Hospes fori said:Atheistic and theistic perceptions are based on the same reasoning, namely faith.
Most atheists I know believe as they do because of science, which does not require faith.
Untitled. said:Science and religion have nothing to do with each other. They are (as of yet) completely compatible with each other.
Hospes fori said:The faith of atheists says that there is no god. But that science is not able to supply evidence for the existence of any divinity is not automatically evidence against its existence. Hence they need to rely on faith to reason their perception.
Edit: Both convictions, that a divinity does exist and that it does not exist, are absolute and every absolute opinion finally relies on faith.
That would make sense if the claim is 'no god' rather than the default. If an atheist has no evidence that there is a god, then the default conclusion is that there is no god, yes? Therefore, there is no faith necessary to believe there is no god. Mind you I am using "faith is the denial of observation so that belief may be preserved" as skeleton for this argument, not sure how you're using the term. An atheist who does not deny the observation that there is no evidence for god is then not using faith. In this case the evidence rather than the faith is used to preserve the belief.Hospes fori said:The faith of atheists says that there is no god.